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"I then have 100% control over that device and the hardware maker, the retailer, and the OS maker have a combined 0% control." the problem is transaction not d

"I then have 100% control over that device and the hardware maker, the retailer, and the OS maker have a combined 0% control." the problem is transaction not done once you own the device, you must use the ecosystem Google and Apple create this ecosystem and they own it, so even if you have 100% control of your device but you cant live without their ecosystem OS is just "half the battle", if its so easy Microsoft would not let windows mobile died

BrenBarn 1y ago
Right, so that's what needs to change.
- tonyhart7 1y ago
  well, we need a platform competitor like Huawei doing for the past years but Open Ecosystem/Platform which is likely never happen tbh, since the amount of resources that required is a lot and would need monetization which would end up like at position like this
  - fsflover 1y ago
    > well, we need a platform competitor like Huawei You mean, GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone?
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
      "You mean, GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone?" not yet to diminish them who is build these Amazing tools/devices but I need to see it yet in real life hell even if you want to buy them, they literally often stock out in certain areas and we not counting technical expertise to operate the devices
      - fsflover 1y ago
        Librem 5 is in stock, and it's my daily driver. These phones are niche, because in discussion like this one, everyone is constantly saying that it's impossible to escape the duopoly and we're doomed.
        tonyhart7 1y ago
        these phone is not niche because they are niche, but because they are sucks if there are alternative that magically better than Google/Apple ecosystem. people would instantly switch You don't need told people to switch, just need to prove it
        fsflover 1y ago
        They're not comparable to an iPhone but good enough to be a daily driver for technical people like the HN audience. Yet the latter never even mentions it saying there are no options, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096
        volemo 1y ago
        > good enough to be a daily driver Are they, though? I don’t think I’m the most demanding user [1], but a $2000 phone with 4 & 128 GB, a 720×1440 TFT, and no NFC? I guess I don't want my freedom that much. (Although USB 3.0 w/ DP is a very nice addition.) That’s not to mention the general bulkiness and the fact that, afaiu, the software doesn't support either Bluetooth or GPS — which are the most important functions my phone provides. P.S.: writing this whine, I've realised Purism is not far off from the point where I'd make a happy switch — if they offered something smaller [2, 3] with an OLED display of at least 300 PPI [4], I’d buy it asap. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44590665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44590665 [2]: 5–5.5 inches diagonal and up to 10 mm thick. [3]: I understand why the current models are so bulky, but personally I don't really care for modularity and hardware switches. I'd gladly trade those for optimised dimensions and weight of the device — compare how often I have to repair the device vs. how often I do handle it. [4]: My current iPhone 12 mini is almost 500 PPI, and it's gorgeous, but I admit that's probably overkill.
    - anticensor 1y ago
      GNU/kReactOS phones.
0xedd 1y ago
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BrenBarn 1y ago

Right, so that's what needs to change.

tonyhart7 1y ago
well, we need a platform competitor like Huawei doing for the past years but Open Ecosystem/Platform which is likely never happen tbh, since the amount of resources that required is a lot and would need monetization which would end up like at position like this
- fsflover 1y ago
  > well, we need a platform competitor like Huawei You mean, GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone?
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    "You mean, GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone?" not yet to diminish them who is build these Amazing tools/devices but I need to see it yet in real life hell even if you want to buy them, they literally often stock out in certain areas and we not counting technical expertise to operate the devices
    - fsflover 1y ago
      Librem 5 is in stock, and it's my daily driver. These phones are niche, because in discussion like this one, everyone is constantly saying that it's impossible to escape the duopoly and we're doomed.
      - tonyhart7 1y ago
        these phone is not niche because they are niche, but because they are sucks if there are alternative that magically better than Google/Apple ecosystem. people would instantly switch You don't need told people to switch, just need to prove it
        fsflover 1y ago
        They're not comparable to an iPhone but good enough to be a daily driver for technical people like the HN audience. Yet the latter never even mentions it saying there are no options, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096
        volemo 1y ago
        > good enough to be a daily driver Are they, though? I don’t think I’m the most demanding user [1], but a $2000 phone with 4 & 128 GB, a 720×1440 TFT, and no NFC? I guess I don't want my freedom that much. (Although USB 3.0 w/ DP is a very nice addition.) That’s not to mention the general bulkiness and the fact that, afaiu, the software doesn't support either Bluetooth or GPS — which are the most important functions my phone provides. P.S.: writing this whine, I've realised Purism is not far off from the point where I'd make a happy switch — if they offered something smaller [2, 3] with an OLED display of at least 300 PPI [4], I’d buy it asap. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44590665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44590665 [2]: 5–5.5 inches diagonal and up to 10 mm thick. [3]: I understand why the current models are so bulky, but personally I don't really care for modularity and hardware switches. I'd gladly trade those for optimised dimensions and weight of the device — compare how often I have to repair the device vs. how often I do handle it. [4]: My current iPhone 12 mini is almost 500 PPI, and it's gorgeous, but I admit that's probably overkill.
  - anticensor 1y ago
    GNU/kReactOS phones.

0xedd 1y ago

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