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Completely agree. Consumers won’t pay for anything online, which means every business model is user-hostile. Use the web for five minutes without an ad blocke

Completely agree. Consumers won’t pay for anything online, which means every business model is user-hostile. Use the web for five minutes without an ad blocker and it’s obvious. Atlas may not be the solution but I love the idea of an LLM that sits between me and the dreck that is today’s web.

lynx97 1y ago
Complete unrelated to what you actual wrote about, but... This is the second time in a week that I hear dreck used in english. Before, I never noticed it anywhere. First was from the "singing chemist" scene in Breaking Bad, and now in your writing. I wasn't aware english adopted this word from German as well. Weird, that I never heard it until just now, while the scene I watched is already 15 years or so old...
- darylteo 1y ago
  Baader-meinhof phenomenon
  - lynx97 1y ago
    Well, while I can never be sure about my own biases, I submit this particular instance is/was not an "illusion". I truely never heard the word dreck used in english before. Why do I know? I am a german native speaker, and I submit that I would have noticed it if I ever heard it earlier, simply because I know its meaning in my native lang and that would have made spotting it rather easy. I also believe noticing Baader-meinhof in the 90s is rather unsurprising, since RAF was just "a few years" ago. However, "dreck" as someone else noted is documented since the early 20th century. So I dont think me noticing this just recently isn't a bias, rather a true coincidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
- brendoelfrendo 1y ago
  Merriam Webster dates the English word "dreck" to 1922, though it seems to come from the Yiddish drek and is therefore much older.
- Timwi 1y ago
  As another commenter noted, it was loaned from Yiddish rather than German, although the two languages are very closely related. There are many Yiddish words in English that have come from the Jewish diaspora. Common ones I can think of are schlep (carry something heavy) and kvetch (complain loudly). Since this is Hacker News, the Yiddish word I think we use the most is glitch. Of course there are also words from Hebrew origin entering English the same way, like behemoth, kosher, messiah...
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  - lynx97 1y ago
    Very interesting, thanks! Quetsch in german actually means "to squeeze". So while apparently related, has changed its meaning.
soiltype 1y ago
> Consumers won’t pay for anything online I think we should note that this is a situation created by the businesses more than the consumers. By offering "free" products they drove paid products out of the market. They didn't have to do that. But if I'm going to be as fair as possible, it's only regulation that could have stopped such a niche feom being exploited. One business or another would have eventually figured it out.
52-6F-62 1y ago
The HN community used to RAGE against walled gardens now it begs for one? The web was supposed to set us free and you cry out for chains? It's in your hands. It's literally in the hands of this entire forum. There is nobody else to blame.
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bagacrap 1y ago
Why would you trust an LLM to make the right decisions on your behalf? You think it can't be tricked by dark patterns? LLMs can't even follow direct orders much less detect deception or ill intent. I guess you did say "the idea of" not "the reality of".

lynx97 1y ago

Complete unrelated to what you actual wrote about, but... This is the second time in a week that I hear dreck used in english. Before, I never noticed it anywhere. First was from the "singing chemist" scene in Breaking Bad, and now in your writing. I wasn't aware english adopted this word from German as well. Weird, that I never heard it until just now, while the scene I watched is already 15 years or so old...

darylteo 1y ago
Baader-meinhof phenomenon
- lynx97 1y ago
  Well, while I can never be sure about my own biases, I submit this particular instance is/was not an "illusion". I truely never heard the word dreck used in english before. Why do I know? I am a german native speaker, and I submit that I would have noticed it if I ever heard it earlier, simply because I know its meaning in my native lang and that would have made spotting it rather easy. I also believe noticing Baader-meinhof in the 90s is rather unsurprising, since RAF was just "a few years" ago. However, "dreck" as someone else noted is documented since the early 20th century. So I dont think me noticing this just recently isn't a bias, rather a true coincidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
brendoelfrendo 1y ago
Merriam Webster dates the English word "dreck" to 1922, though it seems to come from the Yiddish drek and is therefore much older.
Timwi 1y ago
As another commenter noted, it was loaned from Yiddish rather than German, although the two languages are very closely related. There are many Yiddish words in English that have come from the Jewish diaspora. Common ones I can think of are schlep (carry something heavy) and kvetch (complain loudly). Since this is Hacker News, the Yiddish word I think we use the most is glitch. Of course there are also words from Hebrew origin entering English the same way, like behemoth, kosher, messiah...
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- lynx97 1y ago
  Very interesting, thanks! Quetsch in german actually means "to squeeze". So while apparently related, has changed its meaning.

soiltype 1y ago

> Consumers won’t pay for anything online I think we should note that this is a situation created by the businesses more than the consumers. By offering "free" products they drove paid products out of the market. They didn't have to do that. But if I'm going to be as fair as possible, it's only regulation that could have stopped such a niche feom being exploited. One business or another would have eventually figured it out.

52-6F-62 1y ago

The HN community used to RAGE against walled gardens now it begs for one? The web was supposed to set us free and you cry out for chains? It's in your hands. It's literally in the hands of this entire forum. There is nobody else to blame.

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bagacrap 1y ago

Why would you trust an LLM to make the right decisions on your behalf? You think it can't be tricked by dark patterns? LLMs can't even follow direct orders much less detect deception or ill intent. I guess you did say "the idea of" not "the reality of".