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> Games that rudely switch to fullscreen, I can run in Wine Virtual Desktop. Previously on Windows, I had to configure hacks like DxWnd and it didn't always wor

by raron 11mo ago

> Games that rudely switch to fullscreen, I can run in Wine Virtual Desktop. Previously on Windows, I had to configure hacks like DxWnd and it didn't always work. Maybe Wine could be ported to Windows :-)

usrusr 11mo ago
There will be a day when Microsoft ships a "Windows" that cuts all legacy compatibility except for an included distribution of Wine.
- cogman10 11mo ago
  Microsoft might not do it, but there's always reactos [1] [1] https://reactos.org/ https://reactos.org/
- Tajnymag 11mo ago
  At this point, that's exactly what Windows needs. As Microsoft only adds new features and doesn't remove almost any, Windows is getting reaaally bloated. And what was Microsoft's response? Everyone should buy a new faster computer to run Windows 11.
  - flohofwoe 11mo ago
    Tbh, a better strategy would to slim down Windows again would be to remove all the new user-facing stuff which was added over the last two decades. There have been significant improvements in the kernel and DirectX, but on the surface, Windows somehow managed to remove user-facing features while at the same time adding an incredible amount of bloat in layers above the core operating system. From a usability perspective the Windows desktop UI in Win2k was singnificantly better than anything that came after.
    - avadodin 11mo ago
      Win2k with WSL without systemd would be so kino
      - kruffalon 11mo ago
        > [...] kino IHaveABanana Is this a thing or are you just now trying to make it a thing? Either way, I like it :)
      - pjmlp 11mo ago
        Hardly, given that systemd author is a Microsoft employee nowadays.
    - M95D 11mo ago
      > remove all the new user-facing stuff which was added over the last two decades That's not all that needs to be removed from Windows, and it's not what they're interested in removing. The old MFC, GDI, COMCTL, COMDLG, Winsock etc. must be a lot higher in their "do delete" list.
  - pjmlp 11mo ago
    That was the idea with UWP and Windows 10X, but folks really want that backwards compatibility.
    - Tajnymag 11mo ago
      Well, yes, but APIs aside, as long as the developers and users have the choice, they won't choose a new backwards incompatible solution if when they can stay with their old solution. Look at Apple Macs, all went from x86 to arm, breaking software and fixing incompatibilities later. Users had no choice but to use m1 macOS if they wanted a new device.
      - pjmlp 11mo ago
        And leave software behind, hence why many postpone their acquisition until the hardware dies.
mkl 11mo ago
You can already run it in WSL2, apparently.
- djtango 11mo ago
  Running windows to run linux to run windows is delicious
caminanteblanco 11mo ago
It already is in some form! This is what I used to play Sid Meier's Civnet with my brothers: https://github.com/otya128/winevdm https://github.com/otya128/winevdm
- anthk 11mo ago
  https://fdossena.com/index.php?p=wined3d/index.frag https://fdossena.com/index.php?p=wined3d/index.frag This is the proper Wine for Windows but just for DirectX->GL or DirectX-Vulkan.
bigyabai 11mo ago
It was/is unironically a "solution" to some games (eg. Elden Ring) with unfixable stuttering on Windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAooLiCy7rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAooLiCy7rE
unparagoned 11mo ago
Just run it under wsl

by raron 11mo ago

usrusr 11mo ago

There will be a day when Microsoft ships a "Windows" that cuts all legacy compatibility except for an included distribution of Wine.

cogman10 11mo ago
Microsoft might not do it, but there's always reactos [1] [1] https://reactos.org/ https://reactos.org/
Tajnymag 11mo ago
At this point, that's exactly what Windows needs. As Microsoft only adds new features and doesn't remove almost any, Windows is getting reaaally bloated. And what was Microsoft's response? Everyone should buy a new faster computer to run Windows 11.
- flohofwoe 11mo ago
  Tbh, a better strategy would to slim down Windows again would be to remove all the new user-facing stuff which was added over the last two decades. There have been significant improvements in the kernel and DirectX, but on the surface, Windows somehow managed to remove user-facing features while at the same time adding an incredible amount of bloat in layers above the core operating system. From a usability perspective the Windows desktop UI in Win2k was singnificantly better than anything that came after.
  - avadodin 11mo ago
    Win2k with WSL without systemd would be so kino
    - kruffalon 11mo ago
      > [...] kino IHaveABanana Is this a thing or are you just now trying to make it a thing? Either way, I like it :)
    - pjmlp 11mo ago
      Hardly, given that systemd author is a Microsoft employee nowadays.
  - M95D 11mo ago
    > remove all the new user-facing stuff which was added over the last two decades That's not all that needs to be removed from Windows, and it's not what they're interested in removing. The old MFC, GDI, COMCTL, COMDLG, Winsock etc. must be a lot higher in their "do delete" list.
- pjmlp 11mo ago
  That was the idea with UWP and Windows 10X, but folks really want that backwards compatibility.
  - Tajnymag 11mo ago
    Well, yes, but APIs aside, as long as the developers and users have the choice, they won't choose a new backwards incompatible solution if when they can stay with their old solution. Look at Apple Macs, all went from x86 to arm, breaking software and fixing incompatibilities later. Users had no choice but to use m1 macOS if they wanted a new device.
    - pjmlp 11mo ago
      And leave software behind, hence why many postpone their acquisition until the hardware dies.

mkl 11mo ago

You can already run it in WSL2, apparently.

djtango 11mo ago
Running windows to run linux to run windows is delicious

caminanteblanco 11mo ago

It already is in some form! This is what I used to play Sid Meier's Civnet with my brothers: https://github.com/otya128/winevdm https://github.com/otya128/winevdm

anthk 11mo ago
https://fdossena.com/index.php?p=wined3d/index.frag https://fdossena.com/index.php?p=wined3d/index.frag This is the proper Wine for Windows but just for DirectX->GL or DirectX-Vulkan.

bigyabai 11mo ago

It was/is unironically a "solution" to some games (eg. Elden Ring) with unfixable stuttering on Windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAooLiCy7rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAooLiCy7rE

unparagoned 11mo ago

Just run it under wsl