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I still think the future for the Vision Pro is very bright. I think this version is more to get developers working on applications for it. Spatial computing is

by gsibble 11mo ago

I still think the future for the Vision Pro is very bright. I think this version is more to get developers working on applications for it. Spatial computing is a fascinating idea.

makeitdouble 11mo ago
It has a reasonable probability to get somewhere(that would require a lot of redesign, but they have th money to do so), but to be honest I wouldn't be happy with the most restrictive and closed ecosystem winning again in a new field. If it was by design excellence and truly providing a better proposition it would sweeten the pill, but as of now it would be only because the way better products are from a company everyone hates. In a weird way, Meta has been good at balancing hardware lockdown, and I'd see a better future with them leading the pack and allowing for better alternatives to come up along the way. Basically the same way the Quest allowed for exploration, and extended the PCVR market enough for it to survive up to this point. That wouldn't happen with Apple domining the field.
adastra22 11mo ago
In my own lived experience, every person I have met IRL who is dismissive of the Vision Pro has never actually used it seriously for more than a handful of minutes. People I know who have swear by spatial computing being the next UI/UX revolution. I own an AVP, and I agree. Now I bought it secondhand for half the price, so I acknowledge that necessarily means there is at least one counterparty out there who disagrees. Using the AVP for one work day, once I got the right fit and optical inserts, was such an eye opener. It’s like using an ultraportable laptop after living an entire life with large CRT monitors & desktop rigs tied to an actual desk. An experience, btw, which also lived through. It just radially opened my eyes to fresh new possibilities and interaction mechanisms I never before thought possible. But at $3.5k? No sane company exec could have been serious in thinking that would take off.
- fastball 11mo ago
  My company-issued laptop isn't far off $3.5k. The tail end of AVP development and release was happening during the pandemic. I can absolutely imagine sane company execs who looked at the new remote work reality (at the time), and figured every single major enterprise would buy every one of their remote employees (all of them) an AVP.
  - makeitdouble 11mo ago
    I kinda hope someone would have the sanity to stop that. Zoom calls with mandatory camera on were already barbaric, asking employees to strap a headset for team meeting sounds like a generally cruel idea to me.
  - adastra22 11mo ago
    AVP is just the display monitor though. For work you’d need to use th Mac Virtual Display denature to connect it to a MacBook or something.
    - fastball 11mo ago
      An AVP is a fully-fledged computer. It has the same chip my Macbook Pro does.
      - adastra22 11mo ago
        But you can't use it as one. It has a very small selection of native apps, and can of course run iPad apps in an emulation mode. That's it. Most of the people actually using it for daily work are using the Mac Virtual Display. I work on my couch or bed, touch typing on my MacBook while my entire vision is filled with a projected, wraparound virtual display. Immensely productive. But I'm basically coding on my MacBook while using a $3.5k external monitor, just in an unusual form factor.

by gsibble 11mo ago

I still think the future for the Vision Pro is very bright. I think this version is more to get developers working on applications for it. Spatial computing is a fascinating idea.

makeitdouble 11mo ago

It has a reasonable probability to get somewhere(that would require a lot of redesign, but they have th money to do so), but to be honest I wouldn't be happy with the most restrictive and closed ecosystem winning again in a new field. If it was by design excellence and truly providing a better proposition it would sweeten the pill, but as of now it would be only because the way better products are from a company everyone hates. In a weird way, Meta has been good at balancing hardware lockdown, and I'd see a better future with them leading the pack and allowing for better alternatives to come up along the way. Basically the same way the Quest allowed for exploration, and extended the PCVR market enough for it to survive up to this point. That wouldn't happen with Apple domining the field.

adastra22 11mo ago

In my own lived experience, every person I have met IRL who is dismissive of the Vision Pro has never actually used it seriously for more than a handful of minutes. People I know who have swear by spatial computing being the next UI/UX revolution. I own an AVP, and I agree. Now I bought it secondhand for half the price, so I acknowledge that necessarily means there is at least one counterparty out there who disagrees. Using the AVP for one work day, once I got the right fit and optical inserts, was such an eye opener. It’s like using an ultraportable laptop after living an entire life with large CRT monitors & desktop rigs tied to an actual desk. An experience, btw, which also lived through. It just radially opened my eyes to fresh new possibilities and interaction mechanisms I never before thought possible. But at $3.5k? No sane company exec could have been serious in thinking that would take off.

fastball 11mo ago
My company-issued laptop isn't far off $3.5k. The tail end of AVP development and release was happening during the pandemic. I can absolutely imagine sane company execs who looked at the new remote work reality (at the time), and figured every single major enterprise would buy every one of their remote employees (all of them) an AVP.
- makeitdouble 11mo ago
  I kinda hope someone would have the sanity to stop that. Zoom calls with mandatory camera on were already barbaric, asking employees to strap a headset for team meeting sounds like a generally cruel idea to me.
- adastra22 11mo ago
  AVP is just the display monitor though. For work you’d need to use th Mac Virtual Display denature to connect it to a MacBook or something.
  - fastball 11mo ago
    An AVP is a fully-fledged computer. It has the same chip my Macbook Pro does.
    - adastra22 11mo ago
      But you can't use it as one. It has a very small selection of native apps, and can of course run iPad apps in an emulation mode. That's it. Most of the people actually using it for daily work are using the Mac Virtual Display. I work on my couch or bed, touch typing on my MacBook while my entire vision is filled with a projected, wraparound virtual display. Immensely productive. But I'm basically coding on my MacBook while using a $3.5k external monitor, just in an unusual form factor.