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All steroids have a very high risk of misuse, it's incredibly easy to get your body addicted one way or another and it's one of those things that's very hard to

All steroids have a very high risk of misuse, it's incredibly easy to get your body addicted one way or another and it's one of those things that's very hard to fix after the fact.

Spivak 1y ago
The addictive component makes sense, does that mean men who are injured and produce less go through withdrawal? Or like men as they age? That sounds miserable.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  It means the body stops producing it and won't ever again.
  - GenerWork 1y ago
    This is absolutely false. There's thousands of gym bros who've done absolutely stupid cycles with absolutely no post cycle therapy who've recovered and are producing testosterone again.
    - the_sleaze_ 1y ago
      That's the tag-line but it isn't true. I personally know of several early 20s guys who were between light and heavy cycles all under the supervision of doctors (or at least getting blood tested periodically). All of them have renal issues, kidney issues, adrenal system issues, thyroid issues. Some have heart problems. Not one of them is unscathed.
dvaun 1y ago
Steroid abuse indicates body dysmorphia. There isn’t an addictive property like other abused drugs, unless you’re considering it addictive via its effects on dopamine production. Your body doesn’t become addicted, though. The potential for harm is real if you are not taking it under medical supervision or without proper knowledge of usage, like any other drugs.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > There isn’t an addictive property like other abused drugs, This is incorrect. Testosterone can be acutely rewarding and reinforcing, especially at high doses used by people seeking these effects. Seeking testosterone does not indicate body dysmorphia. People want it (or think they want it) for numerous reasons, from getting stronger to feeling “alpha” to thinking it will give them an edge. It’s also very dependence inducing because it shuts down physical production, so the person needs to continue taking it just to get back to baseline after using it for a while. At my very first job one of my coworkers got ahold of some testosterone gel and used it for several months until he ran out and couldn’t get any more. I clearly remember how bad he felt while going through withdrawals and rebound for months. I left before he fully recovered.
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    This is really not true. When speaking of high dose testosterone you mean steroids, so that is the term I will use. And steroids mess people up badly. Severe anxiety, poor sleep, mental fog, and then countless effects on your organs and other factors. And as there tend to be drugs taken to reduce the side effects of other drugs you end up taking an obscene amount of drugs, and still suffering side effects. There's a reason pro body builders generally do not ever recommend them unless somebody is going to compete, where it's a practical necessity. Obviously people can get psychologically addicted to the effects - high energy, easy physique gains, and so on. And when one gets off steroids not only will these generally greatly diminish, but there's a very high probability of one becoming simply fat if they don't dramatically shift their lifestyle. And so that can make it very difficult for people to quit, but they do - because steroids aren't what most people think. I live in a country where you can legally buy steroids OTC for really cheap - less than $20/month for genuine pharmaceutical steroids. And you can see at the gym a lot of guys have tried this out, and quit, because you wear it for life. They'll be 'huge' but very soft/flabby after quitting the steroids.
    - Aurornis 1y ago
      > When speaking of high dose testosterone you mean steroids, so that is the term I will use. No I do not. I am referring to exogenous testosterone. Even dosed within typical replacement ranges it will temporarily stack on top of your already present testosterone and provide a sense of reward and falsely improved well being. You are trying to redirect the conversation to literal anabolic steroids. Those are also habit-forming, but it’s not what I’m talking about. Testosterone is a controlled substance because the abuse potential is studied and known.

All steroids have a very high risk of misuse, it's incredibly easy to get your body addicted one way or another and it's one of those things that's very hard to fix after the fact.

Spivak 1y ago

The addictive component makes sense, does that mean men who are injured and produce less go through withdrawal? Or like men as they age? That sounds miserable.

throwaway48476 1y ago
It means the body stops producing it and won't ever again.
- GenerWork 1y ago
  This is absolutely false. There's thousands of gym bros who've done absolutely stupid cycles with absolutely no post cycle therapy who've recovered and are producing testosterone again.
  - the_sleaze_ 1y ago
    That's the tag-line but it isn't true. I personally know of several early 20s guys who were between light and heavy cycles all under the supervision of doctors (or at least getting blood tested periodically). All of them have renal issues, kidney issues, adrenal system issues, thyroid issues. Some have heart problems. Not one of them is unscathed.

dvaun 1y ago

Steroid abuse indicates body dysmorphia. There isn’t an addictive property like other abused drugs, unless you’re considering it addictive via its effects on dopamine production. Your body doesn’t become addicted, though. The potential for harm is real if you are not taking it under medical supervision or without proper knowledge of usage, like any other drugs.

Aurornis 1y ago
> There isn’t an addictive property like other abused drugs, This is incorrect. Testosterone can be acutely rewarding and reinforcing, especially at high doses used by people seeking these effects. Seeking testosterone does not indicate body dysmorphia. People want it (or think they want it) for numerous reasons, from getting stronger to feeling “alpha” to thinking it will give them an edge. It’s also very dependence inducing because it shuts down physical production, so the person needs to continue taking it just to get back to baseline after using it for a while. At my very first job one of my coworkers got ahold of some testosterone gel and used it for several months until he ran out and couldn’t get any more. I clearly remember how bad he felt while going through withdrawals and rebound for months. I left before he fully recovered.
- somenameforme 1y ago
  This is really not true. When speaking of high dose testosterone you mean steroids, so that is the term I will use. And steroids mess people up badly. Severe anxiety, poor sleep, mental fog, and then countless effects on your organs and other factors. And as there tend to be drugs taken to reduce the side effects of other drugs you end up taking an obscene amount of drugs, and still suffering side effects. There's a reason pro body builders generally do not ever recommend them unless somebody is going to compete, where it's a practical necessity. Obviously people can get psychologically addicted to the effects - high energy, easy physique gains, and so on. And when one gets off steroids not only will these generally greatly diminish, but there's a very high probability of one becoming simply fat if they don't dramatically shift their lifestyle. And so that can make it very difficult for people to quit, but they do - because steroids aren't what most people think. I live in a country where you can legally buy steroids OTC for really cheap - less than $20/month for genuine pharmaceutical steroids. And you can see at the gym a lot of guys have tried this out, and quit, because you wear it for life. They'll be 'huge' but very soft/flabby after quitting the steroids.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    > When speaking of high dose testosterone you mean steroids, so that is the term I will use. No I do not. I am referring to exogenous testosterone. Even dosed within typical replacement ranges it will temporarily stack on top of your already present testosterone and provide a sense of reward and falsely improved well being. You are trying to redirect the conversation to literal anabolic steroids. Those are also habit-forming, but it’s not what I’m talking about. Testosterone is a controlled substance because the abuse potential is studied and known.