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The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. How long until there are no refrigerators, TVs, cars, whatever that will not work without some amount of

The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. How long until there are no refrigerators, TVs, cars, whatever that will not work without some amount of baked in advertising?

bluGill 1y ago
Depends on what consumers stand for. If enough complain. If enough get bad reviews. If enough get returned. If enough buy something else is the big one. If there are other uses where they can't (some TVs are used a safety message boards in factories - if the ads ever show in this context and someone is hurt there will be a lawsuit - so there will be some demand at any price for something without ads)
- masijo 1y ago
  How are people still buying into the whole "voting with your wallet" crap?
  - bluGill 1y ago
    Most people don't care and so don't vote with their wallet.
    - gxs 1y ago
      Also, people don't realize that sometimes it doesn't even matter Enough people don't care, don't notice, or in the worst case, even when they do, if the companies band together and don't give people a choice, eventually they will cave and thats what i predict will happen here In the future i suspect most people's homes will have ads, except for nerds who will have rooted their devices. and hopefully their moms.
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        A lot of people have gotten so used to their entire lives being saturated in ads that they don't even notice them anymore.
      - bluGill 1y ago
        there are enough people who do care to matter. Sometimes we settle for not great answers, but there are generally options for those who care.
pixl97 1y ago
Buy commercial units rather than consumer ones.
keybored 1y ago
> The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. But why is that? HN told me that ads were just reserved for people who refused to “pay for the product”. By inference we must conclude that for-pay products shall not have ads on sheer principle. Where’s that smug scolding at now?
- wiseowise 1y ago
  B-b-because you’re using it wrong, obviously! Samsung conglomerate won’t survive without the ads, comrade! Small indie company. Love how whenever “YouTube doesn’t block sponsor ads natively even on premium” they shut up. Ads are a disgrace and should be removed everywhere.
embedding-shape 1y ago
I dunno, my family started buying LG stuff for our appliances and otherwise, and none of the stuff has forceful ads on them, at least yet. Currently I think we have LG TVs, fridge, dish washer, drier, washing machine and something else I can't remember, all of them working well, has nice and fast at-home support when needed and no ads even on the TVs.
- thrill 1y ago
  Same, regarding LG slowly occupying all the home appliances spaces. As long as they behave like a good guest in my home I’ll keep buying their stuff.
- justinclift 1y ago
  > Currently I think we have LG TVs > no ads even on the TVs. Um, have you needed to change anything for your LG TVs to not display ads? Asking because modern LG TVs seem to display ads too. :( Saying that because I was recently looking for a TV, and considered LG, but many people seem to be having regrets now due to ads being shown.
  - kelnos 1y ago
    LG TVs do have some settings related to ads, but my solution was to just not connect it to the internet in the first place.
    - hexo 1y ago
      This. Parents bought LG OLED TV. It is absolutely lovely, has super nice picture. (not an ad!:D) I insisted they never connect it to network. Probably it would be usable on network cut off from internet, but there is high probability of some mistake. I wasnt sure what happens if it got out for just a tiny bit so decision was clear. We've seen zero ads there (except the standard-ads-iterrupted-by-actual-programming).
- ilamont 1y ago
  We purchased a low-end LG OLED TV in 2022. A few months ago it started inserting LG text ads with a little bullseye at the bottom of the screen while watching OTA programs or using streaming apps. It wasn't clear how to remove them without stopping the programming or accidentally triggering some other ad display, which I didn't want to do. So the text ads sat there for 15 or 20 seconds before fading away. It's the last LG TV we will ever buy.

The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. How long until there are no refrigerators, TVs, cars, whatever that will not work without some amount of baked in advertising?

bluGill 1y ago

Depends on what consumers stand for. If enough complain. If enough get bad reviews. If enough get returned. If enough buy something else is the big one. If there are other uses where they can't (some TVs are used a safety message boards in factories - if the ads ever show in this context and someone is hurt there will be a lawsuit - so there will be some demand at any price for something without ads)

masijo 1y ago
How are people still buying into the whole "voting with your wallet" crap?
- bluGill 1y ago
  Most people don't care and so don't vote with their wallet.
  - gxs 1y ago
    Also, people don't realize that sometimes it doesn't even matter Enough people don't care, don't notice, or in the worst case, even when they do, if the companies band together and don't give people a choice, eventually they will cave and thats what i predict will happen here In the future i suspect most people's homes will have ads, except for nerds who will have rooted their devices. and hopefully their moms.
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      A lot of people have gotten so used to their entire lives being saturated in ads that they don't even notice them anymore.
    - bluGill 1y ago
      there are enough people who do care to matter. Sometimes we settle for not great answers, but there are generally options for those who care.

pixl97 1y ago

Buy commercial units rather than consumer ones.

keybored 1y ago

> The problem is that we are running out of alternatives. But why is that? HN told me that ads were just reserved for people who refused to “pay for the product”. By inference we must conclude that for-pay products shall not have ads on sheer principle. Where’s that smug scolding at now?

wiseowise 1y ago
B-b-because you’re using it wrong, obviously! Samsung conglomerate won’t survive without the ads, comrade! Small indie company. Love how whenever “YouTube doesn’t block sponsor ads natively even on premium” they shut up. Ads are a disgrace and should be removed everywhere.

embedding-shape 1y ago

I dunno, my family started buying LG stuff for our appliances and otherwise, and none of the stuff has forceful ads on them, at least yet. Currently I think we have LG TVs, fridge, dish washer, drier, washing machine and something else I can't remember, all of them working well, has nice and fast at-home support when needed and no ads even on the TVs.

thrill 1y ago
Same, regarding LG slowly occupying all the home appliances spaces. As long as they behave like a good guest in my home I’ll keep buying their stuff.
justinclift 1y ago
> Currently I think we have LG TVs > no ads even on the TVs. Um, have you needed to change anything for your LG TVs to not display ads? Asking because modern LG TVs seem to display ads too. :( Saying that because I was recently looking for a TV, and considered LG, but many people seem to be having regrets now due to ads being shown.
- kelnos 1y ago
  LG TVs do have some settings related to ads, but my solution was to just not connect it to the internet in the first place.
  - hexo 1y ago
    This. Parents bought LG OLED TV. It is absolutely lovely, has super nice picture. (not an ad!:D) I insisted they never connect it to network. Probably it would be usable on network cut off from internet, but there is high probability of some mistake. I wasnt sure what happens if it got out for just a tiny bit so decision was clear. We've seen zero ads there (except the standard-ads-iterrupted-by-actual-programming).
ilamont 1y ago
We purchased a low-end LG OLED TV in 2022. A few months ago it started inserting LG text ads with a little bullseye at the bottom of the screen while watching OTA programs or using streaming apps. It wasn't clear how to remove them without stopping the programming or accidentally triggering some other ad display, which I didn't want to do. So the text ads sat there for 15 or 20 seconds before fading away. It's the last LG TV we will ever buy.