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1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order
- notatoad 1y ago"i have no mouth, and i must scream"
- mleroy 1y agoReview of 1X Neo by the WSJ: https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=pkdj9q5ieoj7pzPc https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=pkdj9q5ieoj7pzPc
- klipklop 1y ago“Review”
- xnx 1y agoGood video of how the hardware actually works from the WSJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so
- denysvitali 1y agoLiterally 5 seconds in and the first claim is already wrong. "For 20k$, you can pre-order one now" The pre-order is only $200 But yes, it gives a good perspective about what's the state of the robot right now
- sosodev 1y agoThat's just semantics. The $200 is the deposit. It's $20,000 to actually buy it once they're ready to ship.
- denysvitali 1y agoMy point was more that it can be cheaper ($200 + $499/month), and it wasn't mentioned
- disambiguation 1y agoSurely the overlap between people with both the wealth and the preference for industrial machinery remote controlled by an underpaid worker from the Philippines in their house (around their children) over an organic house keeper is vanishingly thin, no? The total addressable market for giant fighting robots on the other hand...
- serf 1y ago>by an underpaid worker from the Philippines in their house (around their children) I think that it's hilarious (in a grim way) that we got this thing : a 30kg robot with no proven reliability performing dynamic/active balancing at all times and everyone jumps to the fear of 'The Scary Foreigner' rather than the fact that this actively power-damp'd mass is actively trying to fall backwards or forwards, being held together by whatever control loop, onto your toddler or pet. A single non-redundant power-failure is orders of a scarier proposition to me than a foreigner with a bad attitude : you can fix that with management and action auditing , more than a single person in the loop, etc. You can't fix the future awaiting technical failure. We still haven't fixed bad technicals in any industry yet -- we occasional get bad planes delivered to customers. We have technical failures in pacemakers.
- disambiguation 1y agoSorry that's not what i was trying to convey, but rather the elaborate loop hole to exploit cheap off shore labor over domestic workers. And yeah to your point about bad technical, plus my focus on the high powered hardware, all add up to legitimate safety concerns.
- arresin 1y agoGen x will never miss an opportunity to preach.
- supportengineer 1y agoYes, it is thin... and stop calling me Shirley.
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- jethronethro 1y agoBut does this Neo know kung fu?
- AndrewKemendo 1y agoI ordered one. They have nailed all the right things in my opinion: 1. Remote teleop with transfer learning 2. Quiet operation (nobody else is doing this) 3. Pulley based hands For that price, absolutely Plus I have epilepsy and live alone so this might just save my life
- mgrandl 1y agoWouldn’t something like an Apple Watch be much more reliable for alerting emergency services in case of seizure, given that fall detection is an actually advertised feature of it?
- AndrewKemendo 1y agoMaybe but an Apple Watch can’t put me in the recovery position
- tolmasky 1y agoIs having a real robot creepy? I don't know. Is having a robot operated by a human creepy and scary? Absolutely yes. We've seen that people behave worse when you introduce indirection. People act worse on the internet. Soldiers have an easier time killing with drones than in person. The ethical issue is in both directions: its inhumane to the operator, but I also don't want to feel like a fake person on a video screen to them. This is then exacerbated when you realize that the people operating this machine are almost certainly not being paid well, creating obvious and legitimate negative incentives. Then you plop them into the households of people with the insane wealth required to afford this. You might think that I have just described the situation with maids (and to some extent, I agree! I have never really felt comfortable that dynamic either), but this is actually different, because you are adding in the indirection and making actions and interactions feel less "real" to both parties: the clients are likely to treat the robots worse than they would a human helper, and the operators may feel these rude clients they see on their monitors aren't as real as the people around them.
- dyauspitr 1y agoYep, we’re going to have robots molesting women and kids.
- joseangel_sc 1y agoit’s even worse, with maids, given the socioeconomic dynamics, even if they are paid low, they will be paid “local-market-rates” where by definition they will have to earn enough to (maybe barely) live nearby the people paying them, teleoperated robots don’t have that incentive and can pay “international low” levels of compensation
- RealityVoid 1y agoRight, but the low income countries could also frame it as a new way to earn a living. I think avoiding giving jobs to those countries gives them no help.
- kelvinjps10 1y agoBut then it can be more, so they can make more than a maid, for example in some countries call center jobs for bilinguals people make double the minimum wage of the local rate.
- anonymousiam 1y agoFor those who want to learn something about the product before forking out $20k (or $500/mo), there's a product info page here: https://www.1x.tech/discover/neo-home-robot https://www.1x.tech/discover/neo-home-robot
- rdl 1y agoI preordered one for $20k (so I'd get it earlier), but it's going to live in only public areas of house, outdoors, etc., due to privacy concerns. I think it will probably be sufficiently useful to be worthwhile, but I'll probably wait a few weeks from public launch to be more sure.
- numpad0 1y agoIs this thing vastly more anatomically correct than most humanoids? Thumbs are opposable, finger roots are somewhat more behind than most, has shoulders(at all), torso has at least pitch in the middle, etc etc. I don't know if it matters, but that looks cool to me.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoAnatomically correct and programmed with multiple techniques?
- ALittleLight 1y agoThe 20k model has no subscription? How does that work? Surely it's using a fair amount of compute, isn't it?
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- dtagames 1y agoI predict it will never ship, and further there is no market for an ambulatory speakerphone/LLM combo with a human on the other end of the phone (which is how it operates).
- vessenes 1y agoit might or might not ship. There is an IMMENSE market for $1-2/hr labor worldwide. Even very low skill labor.
- artisin 1y agoAt long last, a personal robot that can shatter my Waterford glassware and then clean up all the pieces! Sure, it moves like something out of a nightmare, but it makes sense that much of its marketing is aimed at seniors. It's a large and growing market, and the need is undeniable, given that few can afford a full-time caregiver. And from that perspective, the $20,000 price tag almost feels like a steal. A human-knitted marvel that does it all. From telling cayenne apart from paprika to cleaning your toilet.... well, maybe. From what I can tell, it can flush but not wipe, so you'll still want to budget for a bidet. Technically, it makes Level-5 autonomy look straightforward. At least roads have rules and standards; household bathrooms, not so much. But let's gloss over that, because I want to know more about the legal agreement you'll have to sign. IANAL, but I expect something akin to a carpet-bombing of blanket disclaimers: no liability for direct, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive, or other damages—including injuries or loss of life—or really anything else that could go wrong, such as losing your mail, opening your door to assist in a robbery, setting your house on fire, flooding it, or sending your banking information to a Nigerian prince. Too bad iRobot never got around to explaining the legal side of things, but there's always hope for iRobot 2.
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- NeoInHacker 1y agoyeah, it's lame
- johnohara 1y agoI tried to search for what the acronym "Neo" is based on but no luck. Maybe it's a cinematic reference that got assigned in development and stuck. I don't know. But it did remind me of my friend Ben Skora and his robot AROK. Fabricated in his garage using sheet metal (Ben rebuilt cars), power window motors, dryer vent pipe for arms, a Richard Nixon halloween mask inside a motorcycle helmet, two car batteries and wheels as shoes, bicycle brake clamps covered with rubber gloves as hands, a front panel of lights that blinked, and miles of wiring that never worked 100%. The whole system was analog. Tones from two princess phone keypads controlled the motors and he could talk and listen remotely (20 ft away) using a hacked set of walkie-talkies. Don't ask me how. AROK was built in ~1971-1973 and now resides inside a glass case at the Moraine Valley Community College Technology Building. [1] He built AROK to help around the house, do chores, walk the dog, etc. [0] https://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1975-arok-ben-skora-american/ https://cyberneticzoo.com/robots/1975-arok-ben-skora-america... [1] https://www.morainevalley.edu/news-story/arok-the-robot-rolls-into-moraine-valley/ https://www.morainevalley.edu/news-story/arok-the-robot-roll...
- Animats 1y agoPre-order? If a company needs pre-orders in this business, they probably lack enough funding to play.
- 29athrowaway 1y agoA completely new world of legal liability, or plausible deniability.
- ugh123 1y agoWe need Robot Olympics for household chores
- DmitryOlshansky 1y agoI just wonder if it has the three laws builtin.
- ndsipa_pomu 1y agoI just hope they didn't install the evil red eyes at the factory. I often wonder why they do that with robots in films - it's just asking for trouble.
- incomingpain 1y agoThe hardware design seems to be quite good. The reality to me, there's no way they have a good LLM that wouldnt need correction every 30 seconds. Maybe in a few years they'll get there but they will eventually.
- samet 1y agoInevitable Futurama Robot 1X reference. https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_1-X https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_1-X
- seesaw 1y agoCan a robot follow your instructions ? When you come back from your walk, can you shout from outside to have it open the door ? Can you also shout from outside to have it pack up the valuables and hand it over to you ?
- ThinkBeat 1y agoWhat they show is so far ahead of what other robots can do right now, esp in aggregate of everything it can do. There is not a lot of probability that this robot will deliver on its promises. That would be a major steppig stone, possibly worthy of a Noble Prize for someone. I personallly would -not- want an alpha / re alpha large robot roaming my house. If it hullicinates or a horrible bug a lot of things could get destroyed in a hurry. This feels like like Musks promises of a fully autonomous self driving car.
- b3nji 1y agoI'm not sure these are autonomous. I think these might be just remote puppets tied to a human operating them.
- bicepjai 1y agoCan it fold clothes and do dishes ? If so take my money
- somethoughts 1y agoI feel like they should target commercial applications first before worrying about trying to get into people's homes. It would seem like the ideal target for this would be say a hotel operator. A team of these could clean a large number of rooms on an unoccupied floor of a hotel at once. Even if this was tele-operated remotely, this seems like it could be particularly beneficial for hotels in remote locations where its harder to hire people locally.
- rootnod3 1y agoMaybe a very unpopular opinion, but if you have money to spend on that fad, you are a new level of douche. Take that money and sponsor some open source projects or gift it to charities. If you can’t be arsed to put a plate into a dishwasher you got a level of problem that is so removed from actual problems that it’s weird. That is even disregarding the privacy implications of a robot that walks around the house with a fucking camera attached to its noggins. If anyone thinks that the camera is only there for the job and kit collecting data is fooling themselves. Because I will bet my ass that that’s how the company actually makes money from investors.
- hattmall 1y agoOk, forget the remote operator and AI and all that, is it possible to buy something even remotely like this that works reasonably well that I can control???
- denysvitali 1y agoKeynote / Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTYMWadOW7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTYMWadOW7c. Mind blowing.
- leetharris 1y agoIncredible technology, but that was an insufferable video. Still very cool, I might preorder one!
- atourgates 1y agoI hope you do! I'm skeptical of v1 of this technology, but I could imagine a mature version of this technology could be great. And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable. Where I live, having a housekeeper come for a few hours once a week costs about $100 a week, or $400/mo. Having a robot that could potentially always be there to: * Tidy up. * Clean * Do laundry * Help with other stuff Seems well worth $500/mo. I don't expect that V1 of this technology will be able to effectively do all that stuff, but I'm hopeful that v2 or v5 might be able to. On a related note, "folding laundry" seems to be a really hard challenge for machine learning to solve. Solutions like "Foldimate" kind of work if you individually hand it every piece in the right way - but nothing seems to be cable of having a human dump a bin of washed clothes in and spitting out nicely folded laundry. And everything so far that's promised to do that seems to be vaporware.
- xnx 1y ago> And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable. Maybe, but you should factor in that many chores can't be done at all, and those that can be done will take ~10x as long.
- jfim 1y agoI'm skeptical too, but the fact that it works slower isn't too much of a problem if it doesn't require human attention and finishes before one is back home. It's just like how the Roomba can take as much time as it needs to to vacuum the living room when I'm gone for the day, as long as it's done by the time I get back.
- dexwiz 1y agoLooks like a Dr Who villain and a Bluetooth speaker had a baby.
- arcticbunny 1y agoCybertooth
- loosescrews 1y agoIt actually is a Bluetooth speaker: > Use NEO as a mobile bluetooth speaker anywhere in your home.
- r0x0r007 1y agoHahah,some things can't be unseen...
- jzb 1y agoMy first thought was that it looked like Isaac from The Orville.
- Tade0 1y agoI read your comment before seeing the robot and that blank stare from those beady eyes made me lose it. Truly it does look like that.
- bigyabai 1y agoIt leans so far into the "infantile, plush, can't hurt anyone" aesthetic that it feels like a horror movie prop.
- perihelions 1y agoRelated thread (8 months ago), https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43132260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43132260 ("Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid) (1x.tech)"—48 comments)
- xattt 1y agoI’m wondering how this thing will age. Will the cloth end up getting oil and soil stains and taking on a funk?
- yesfitz 1y agoPer the keynote video, the bodysuit is machine washable. As long as 1X stays in business or enthusiasts exist, I have to imagine there will be some option to clean/replace the head covering on the $20,000 robot.
- Hamuko 1y agoCan it wash its own bodysuit?
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoI super duper don’t want to watch it crawl out of its own skin thank you very much for that offer.
- atonse 1y agoWill it wash itself? Would be totally ironic if we had to strip the robot of its clothes and wash it :)
- rootnod3 1y agoBuy two and make them wash each other :D
- xattt 1y agoI just think about how things are when they are brand new versus their in-use appearance. Think about a MacBook that’s a couple of years old. Glossy letters on the keycaps, a couple of sneeze splatters on the screen, some cosmetic scratches.
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- breakyerself 1y ago20,000 and a $500 monthly subscription? Am I reading that right? Or is $500 a month an alternate leasing option?
- andypants 1y agoYou choose one or the other
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoIn this case, if you needed this for whatever reason, I suspect the lease makes sense to not get stuck with a Gen1 product after the same cost point of 40 months. IDK, this is not a problem I need to concern myself with. I’m clearly not the target demographic.
- bdcravens 1y agoI want to believe its true, but this seems like quite a leap forward, at that price point. Even without AI, would we know if the videos were just a person in a suit?
- stathibus 1y agoThe leap is not really there yet and it's cheap because you are the product. The robot will be a massive headache, will work poorly for most tasks, frequently break and require maintenance. In exchange for $500/mo and providing those test hours in a novel environment and the data that goes with it, you get to have a robot in your house that occasionally does something right. The bet being made here is that they can turn that data hose into a useful robot before this poor customer experience tanks their brand.
- nartho 1y agoIt's mainly operated by a remote worker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so
- gitaarik 1y agoIt was the first thing I also thought, but then I thought that would be ridiculous. But now I watched this video. And in fact, it's actually currently completely operated remotely. With the idea that they'll collect the human operated movements as training data for de AI. But right now they say the robot can autonomously only open a door. So if you get the product now, then when the robot is operating, there's basically an extra person in your home. You can apparentlty choose when it operates, and you can also block certain spaces in your house from the robot able to reach it. But it does feel to me like a recipe for disasters.
- cjbarber 1y agoI mean, this is extraordinarily interesting at least. TBD on if it ships on time, how good it is, etc, but fuck, this is pretty cool.
- Jayakumark 1y agoCan it cook ?
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoLook at it, clearly only serves tomatoe sauces, red wine, and beets.
- denysvitali 1y agoFrom their FAQs: > Initially, NEOs cooking capabilities will be restricted from use. NEO can provide you with great recipes or help with the cleaning up instead.
- Dilettante_ 1y agoLooks like it could pass butter, at least.
- souvlakee 1y agoLet him cook.
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y agoCleaning robots are pretty good, and it's mostly a solved problem, for an order of magnitude (almost 2) under this price point. What else are we getting AT BEST beside taking out the trash and gimmicks?
- sam_goody 1y agoKohler once made a gold plated toilet seat as a display item for their show rooms. The Kohler rep near me was pretty surprised when someone walked in and offered ridiculous cash for the seat on display. The buyer explained... "There is no way I can impress my guests more than having them realize that even the toilet seat is gold plated." Kohler wound up selling the whole run. Nothing, perhaps, less than a Humanoid robot that is almost as good as Roomba. People will pay a crazy amount of money to show off.
- serf 1y ago>Cleaning robots are pretty good, and it's mostly a solved problem everyone that ever tells me that has hardwood or tile floors and a mostly uncluttered house with no doors. yes: cleaning robots are a solved problem for people with clean uncluttered houses free of long-hair pets or a spouse/etc with a laundry-throwing problem.
- gitaarik 1y agoWhat? Mostly solved problem? I can think of countless household tasks that I can't think of a robot for
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoNo one is going to put a wig on their roomba though.
- easton 1y ago> For any chore it doesn’t know, you can schedule a 1X Expert to guide it, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. Is this a humanoid robot that's controlled by someone in a call center remotely doing your laundry? Putting aside ethical reservations about how much they are probably paying per task, that feels like wash and fold with extra steps.
- vineyardmike 1y agoThis feels like the only issue is ethical. Presumably, this is a way to collect diverse training data for the robot to be trained on. Wash and fold as a service is valuable (to some people), and presumable the “extra steps” are offset with the in-home aspect of this. Meanwhile, the ethical considerations are huge. Laborers are literally training their replacement, and probably at questionable wages. They’re also explicitly inviting someone into your home remotely, and that person can see and interact with your house. Feels like a privacy and safety risk. Additionally, it seems likely that this would be a literal Trojan horse to allow international labor to work within the US without dealing with actual immigration. Oh and just for good measure, it’s taking the jobs traditionally held by some of society’s least privileged and most desperate workers. Anyways, if it actually works, I want one. Edit: I feel compelled to note that apparently they’re hiring in Palo Alto for these roles, today.
- itsdesmond 1y agoDevelop practices and training regimen at home office, pay well to attract quality talent, develop a positive reputation, lock users in with expensive hardware, outsource and offshore, enshittify aggressively.
- app13 1y ago$25-35/hr for the evening shift it seems. Not starvation wages by any means, but certainly not great (or even good) pay for that area.
- moralestapia 1y ago>with extra steps That one doesn't have to do, hence the appeal.
- souvlakee 1y agoWill cats scratch it?
- wmf 1y agoThey'll either run in fear or destroy it.
- system7rocks 1y agoJust in time for Halloween nightmares!!!!!!!! Imagine being a kid and waking up to this sitting in your room, silently watching you sleep. Imagine how terrified your dog is going to be of this thing, shuffling around or getting stuck with its foot on the edge of a rug. Imagine finding it going through your underwear drawer when you come home from work early.
- anonzzzies 1y agoAnd in 5 seconds after the first ones ship, there will be videos of people attaching all kinds of sex toys to it, making it even worse.
- renewiltord 1y ago"imagine one day you eat your toast and you look down and it's actually cockroaches!" Man makes up stories. Scares himself.
- i80and 1y agoLike, this thing is nightmare fuel. They're making up nightmare stories because this uncanny valley horror practically invites the brain to do so.
- renewiltord 1y agoThis is like the online trend of pretending that US Postal Police are superheroes, clowns are scary, fedoras are lame and so on. I get it. Some people make jokes, and then the rest don't get the joke so they think it's real and go along with the meme out of wanting to fit in. Eventually, the neurotic find everything scary and dangerous. Everyone else just skips over this nonsense while you guys self-reinforce. Social media's worst effect.
- strix_varius 1y agoFound the guy who wears a fedora.
- sgt 1y agohttps://www.1x.tech/neo https://www.1x.tech/neo How'd they somehow revive Gene Roddenberry to come and pose with Neo?
- lm28469 1y agoI love the FAQ that for some reason tells you this thing cannot cook but it doesn't tell you what it can actually do
- vineyardmike 1y agoTo be fair, the actual “Product” tab that describes the products lists what it can do: * Water Plants * Turn off lights * Get the door * clean up trash * Load/Empty dishwasher * Tidy House * Laundry * Bartend Party * Feed Pets * Play music as the most over engineered Bluetooth speaker
- thw_9a83c 1y ago> the products lists what it can do... In other words, nothing very labor/skill intensive yet. And if you let your robot feed your pets, they will eventually love the robot more than you. I suppose that's the last activity you'd want to hand over to an inanimate object.
- xnx 1y agoOccam's razor says this is because it can't actually do anything.
- danielfalbo 1y agoSelf-charge (https://youtu.be/LTYMWadOW7c?si=Rml7QsJTzDPva1tr&t=366 https://youtu.be/LTYMWadOW7c?si=Rml7QsJTzDPva1tr&t=366 timestamp intended): the first form of eternal life
- yesfitz 1y agoTheir teleoperator position from 3-11 PM, M-F, pays between $22 and $31 an hour with benefits and is onsite in Palo Alto.[1] I'll be curious if they move those positions to a lower cost-of-living area as they scale up. 1: https://1x.recruitee.com/o/robot-operator https://1x.recruitee.com/o/robot-operator
- thw_9a83c 1y agoI'm wondering about teleoperation. Many housekeeping activities require an incredible level of attention to detail, precision, and real-time awareness. For example, consider manual dishwashing, small sewing jobs, knife operation, or repotting houseplants. Even if latency were not an issue, the operator would need to excel at all these tasks. By the way, we've had robotic surgery [1] for years. These machines are very expensive, and it takes months, if not years, to learn to operate them flawlessly. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_surgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotic_surgery
- davidlee1435 1y agoYou don't need flawless to empty a dishwasher, which simultaneously drives down cost and time
- thw_9a83c 1y ago> You don't need flawless to empty a dishwasher That really depends on how demanding you are. For example, I prefer to thoroughly wipe the dishes after taking them out of the dishwasher (if necessary). This is a fairly demanding task in terms of motor skills. I suppose we all have similar discrepancies from what is considered normal or good enough.
- Hamuko 1y agoI mean, I sorta do need that. If a dishwasher-emptying robot drops my favourite tea mug while doing it, that will be quite a significant negative against it.
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- moralestapia 1y agoPay attention, this is a genius once-in-a-generation business strategy.
- DEDLINE 1y agoI agree with you. This is brilliant. Tele-operation of the humanoid vs. waiting for AI is the key here. Then off-shore the tele-operation when you've smoothed out the edges. I'll personally wait to own best hardware (Unitree) and purchase my own 3P tele-operation service contract.
- xnx 1y agoOverpromise and underdeliver?
- rozap 1y agoOof. The roomba guy said that the form factor of robots inform customer expectations. I keep thinking about that and wincing when I see these humanoid robots. Even if there's impressive engineering that goes into them, people are going to expect they can do human things. When they can't, they're going to be disappointed. I expect my robot vacuum to vacuum the floor, because it's a little wheeled disc on the floor. It's not going to be able to cook for me. But this thing? Yea, it should cook for me.
- bluGill 1y agoForm factor isn't what is important. What is important is the jobs it gets done. If it can do useful jobs we will accept the form factor. Roomba doesn't look like any other vacuum I've never owned, but it gets the floors clean so we learn that form factor means clean floors. Humanoid only seems useful if it can do stairs - something many form factors fail at. Though I'd expect a centaur form factor could do stairs better and probably is cheaper.
- Hamuko 1y agoI'm wondering how many people will attempt to get it to give them a handjob. After all, the form factor does have hands.
- xnx 1y agoSince it is remotely operated anyway, it would be much more practical on a stable wheeled base and a pair of DEX-EE hands.
- bluGill 1y agoCould it do stairs if it was wheeled? Not every house has them, but most do (where I live basements are universal in single family houses, but other regions basements are rare)
- gigel82 1y agoSo, like a large scale scam to get your "downpayment" ? How would remote human operators scale, especially for the $20k "ownership" model? I presume the actual hardware probably costs them at least $10k to make, so after about 400 hours of "remote operator use", it's all loss on the company? I suspect they have a limit on use, or a pay-to-use-remotely thing they neglected to announce.
- lamsey 1y agoThere is no way that the $500/mo or $20k flat price points are profitable. Cash influx is definitely important, but it seems to me that the real "value" from deploying with remote operators to handle any interesting tasks is in building an in-home data moat.
- bluGill 1y agoThat could be profitable if it works well. If it proves very useful in the real world owners will brag about and talk about it making this the "in thing" to have. When people buy it that means they can scale. If this takes off I expect in 10 years the price will be about $5000 each and they are selling enough to make a lot of money. I'm assuming that they will design/build it to last about 10 years before wearing out which means repeat customers - not quite as good as a subscription but still something wall street likes to see. There are a lot of best cases in the above. Time will tell if it works. I'm not betting on it, but I'm cautious so don't read too much into that.
- bottlepalm 1y ago$200 is refundable, so not a scam at all, just holding your spot in line like any other pre-order. It's pretty clear that they're still working on the AI training so 'human in the loop' is not part of their long term business model.
- trey34627 1y agoTechnically I think there will be additions in costs, so the remote training tasks will probably cost money.
- danielfalbo 1y agoI like the idea of "robotics slop" still being useful, compared to the rest of AI slop (https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=6Zq0eFq80C0_RGGo&t=345 https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=6Zq0eFq80C0_RGGo&t=345 timestamp intended)
- gmuslera 1y agoThe part of the video showing the robot putting glasses in the upper cabinet. It is something normal for humans, but it felt scary watching it being done by that robot. Maybe it was how it was handling the glass, maybe another kind of uncanny valley, or how I think present software should handle that task today. But I don't think it is ready yet to match our expectations.
- krackers 1y agoThe issue is might be the latency with teleop, by the time the operator realizes the glass is about to tip over, it's probably already fallen on the floor. So the robot can really only do one object at a time, and has to move about awkwardly. I do like all the ideas though, I hope they can get it to a polished state.
- birriel 1y agoAlthough these particular units are designed for home use, commercial applications are not far off, perhaps in the order of months. Small and medium-sized businesses will start thinking that it's much better to lease a unit for $500/mo. than $2,000/mo. in payroll for one human. Then they own the unit after 3 years. We're going to need some form of UBI soon.
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