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Is Ireland the only country to bring in two languages, Irish/Gaelic and English? Is English an official language of any other EU countries?

by fsckboy 11mo ago

JAlexoid 11mo ago
I believe Malta has English as an official language. PS: Gaelic is a more general term for Irish and Scottish. Ireland brings specifically Irish(Gaeilge in Irish) language.
rags2riches 11mo ago
Malta has Maltese and English as official languages. I don't know what they bring to the EU list of official languages.
ginko 11mo ago
AFAIK Ireland only listed Gaelic as their official language with UK having English. That caused a bit of a problem during Brexit since technically English wasn't officially an EU language anymore. I guess they resolved it somehow.
layer8 11mo ago
English is an official EU language because Regulation 1 Article 1 says so [0] and hasn’t been changed. In practice, English is the most widely used language in EU institutions, so it would be have been silly to remove it after Brexit. [0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:01958R0001-20130701 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:01...
- raattgift 11mo ago
  That said, whenever there is a language selection UI (e.g. at banking machines or institutional websites) in wider Europe that uses flags to represent languages -- probably not a good idea to start with, but very common -- the Irish tricolour should be used to indicate English rather than the UK or USA flags. (although cf Airteagal 8 of Bunreacht na hÉireann).
  - layer8 11mo ago
    Relatively few people would recognize that it’s meant to stand for English (including myself), so I’m unconvinced that this would be better.
    - raattgift 11mo ago
      Cool, so the European Union and overlapping institutions could see this as an opportunity to promote greater public knowledge about one of their respective member states. Seems like an argument in favour of encouraging the display of a member state's flag rather than that of a non-member-state or former member state (especially given that state's history with respect to Ireland). Using flags alone is already poor UI since there are many languages which spill across the borders into multiple member states and non-member states, and some member states with multiple official and commonly spoken languages. But a menu item that reads: [Irish flag] (English) like one that reads [Swedish flag] (Svenska) does not seem worse than the legacy use of the UK flag or the popular use of the US one.
      - adzm 11mo ago
        This is how we end up with a white box 'flag' that says 'en'
- ChocolateGod 11mo ago
  English at this point has stopped culturally belonging to the United Kingdom and whilst one can discus it's not so very moral way of getting there, it's become the bridge language for people of different languages to communicate in, further solidified by the internet.
- rcbdev 11mo ago
  It's a national language in Malta, making it a popular destination for "language weeks" in European schools, where English is usually a main subject.
  - layer8 11mo ago
    That’s not why it is an official EU language, however.

Is Ireland the only country to bring in two languages, Irish/Gaelic and English? Is English an official language of any other EU countries?

by fsckboy 11mo ago

Is Ireland the only country to bring in two languages, Irish/Gaelic and English? Is English an official language of any other EU countries?

JAlexoid 11mo ago

I believe Malta has English as an official language. PS: Gaelic is a more general term for Irish and Scottish. Ireland brings specifically Irish(Gaeilge in Irish) language.

rags2riches 11mo ago

Malta has Maltese and English as official languages. I don't know what they bring to the EU list of official languages.

ginko 11mo ago

AFAIK Ireland only listed Gaelic as their official language with UK having English. That caused a bit of a problem during Brexit since technically English wasn't officially an EU language anymore. I guess they resolved it somehow.

layer8 11mo ago

English is an official EU language because Regulation 1 Article 1 says so [0] and hasn’t been changed. In practice, English is the most widely used language in EU institutions, so it would be have been silly to remove it after Brexit. [0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:01958R0001-20130701 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:01...

raattgift 11mo ago
That said, whenever there is a language selection UI (e.g. at banking machines or institutional websites) in wider Europe that uses flags to represent languages -- probably not a good idea to start with, but very common -- the Irish tricolour should be used to indicate English rather than the UK or USA flags. (although cf Airteagal 8 of Bunreacht na hÉireann).
- layer8 11mo ago
  Relatively few people would recognize that it’s meant to stand for English (including myself), so I’m unconvinced that this would be better.
  - raattgift 11mo ago
    Cool, so the European Union and overlapping institutions could see this as an opportunity to promote greater public knowledge about one of their respective member states. Seems like an argument in favour of encouraging the display of a member state's flag rather than that of a non-member-state or former member state (especially given that state's history with respect to Ireland). Using flags alone is already poor UI since there are many languages which spill across the borders into multiple member states and non-member states, and some member states with multiple official and commonly spoken languages. But a menu item that reads: [Irish flag] (English) like one that reads [Swedish flag] (Svenska) does not seem worse than the legacy use of the UK flag or the popular use of the US one.
    - adzm 11mo ago
      This is how we end up with a white box 'flag' that says 'en'
ChocolateGod 11mo ago
English at this point has stopped culturally belonging to the United Kingdom and whilst one can discus it's not so very moral way of getting there, it's become the bridge language for people of different languages to communicate in, further solidified by the internet.
rcbdev 11mo ago
It's a national language in Malta, making it a popular destination for "language weeks" in European schools, where English is usually a main subject.
- layer8 11mo ago
  That’s not why it is an official EU language, however.