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If today, the National Guard dropped a non nuclear bomb on a blue city, 40% of the US population would shrug if not outright cheer. https://digitalcommons.wayn

If today, the National Guard dropped a non nuclear bomb on a blue city, 40% of the US population would shrug if not outright cheer. https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ Rebellions have been successful in underfunded countries with few resources. Can you actually come up with a scenario where a few yokels in the south running around the field playing militia could overthrow the US government? And those people were all pardoned by the same President who cheered them and on and he was voted back into office. If Trump - who was still president then had wanted to call in the full force of government he could have. Do you think they would have let thousands of minorities invade the capital?

ericmay 11mo ago
There are no red or blue cities or states. This is a made up fiction and we should stop using those terms because they are divisive and only serve to make the country weak. > Can you actually come up with a scenario where a few yokels in the south running around the field playing militia could overthrow the US government? No because that's a strawman. Though those yokels on January 6th sure gave it a try. > If today, the National Guard dropped a non nuclear bomb on a blue city, 40% of the US population would shrug if not outright cheer. This would never happen unless there's a zombie apocalypse or that city was invaded by another country. No American would cheer a nuclear bomb being dropped on New York or Houston or something - why are you even entertaining such outlandish nonsense?
- JustExAWS 11mo ago
  There are very much two views of what America should be like and pretending there isn’t is why Democrats keep losing. 40% of Americans cheer how the current administration treats immigrants, non straight people, etc and continue defend the words of a racist podcaster. They wouldn’t want a “nuclear” bomb because it affects them. But there was no real fallout politically for the police MOVE bombing. If you don’t think this country is divided, you haven’t been looking at where this country is and it’s view on reality. Those yokels on January 6th tried. But do you think they could have overcome even the local SWAT let alone the military? There have been yokels running around for decades trying. Heck an entire Confedrrsre army couldn’t defeat the US government backed by the states
  - ericmay 11mo ago
    > Those yokels on January 6th tried. But do you think they could have overcome even the local SWAT let alone the military? Well they did - they weren't far away from grabbing Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence. What's the US military going to do? It's not really equipped for this kind of stuff, oh and those yokels didn't really bring a ton of firearms, but they could have. Thankfully I don't think those yokels expected to have the success that they did and they didn't really intend to try and overthrow the government, though I personally believe they all should have been tried as many of them were. > There are very much two views of what America should be like and pretending there isn’t is why Democrats keep losing. The Democrats are losing because their ideas are by and large bad, and most Americans don't agree with them. Communism? Open Borders? Those are the topics that dominate the Democratic Party right now and as an independent I also find those ideas completely unpalatable, even though perhaps stupidly I still keep voting for Democrats locally because the MAGA goons make me so mad. I'm not suggesting the country isn't divided - it always has been and it's perhaps more divided now because people are spending all day on the Internet, but further dividing the country be calling things "red" or "blue" is actively harmful. Besides even in those so called "red" or "blue" areas there are plenty of people who are on the other side of the dominating spectrum. Plenty of rural Californias who vote Republican, plenty of liberals in Kansas City.
    - JustExAWS 11mo ago
      No one is advocating for “communism” any more than Obama was a “secret Muslim trying to bring Sharia law into the US”. If you want to talk “socialism” that’s what you call tariffs that US citizens are paying and redistributing the taxes to farmers hurt by the tariffs. Again do you think if the terrorist on Jan 6th had bern minorities there wouldn’t have been overwhelming force? Even if they did manage to get to Pelosi and Pence, they weren’t going to overthrow the entire government. What could the military do? They had guns. They could shoot people. I’m well stew that red and blue is not statewide and there are more Republican voters in California than South Dakota.
      - ericmay 11mo ago
gruez 11mo ago
>https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ Strange you linked to some random journal article describing the incident as "In 1985 police bombed the Philadelphia headquarters occupied by members of the black counterculture group MOVE.". The wikipedia article adds far needed context: >The 1985 MOVE bombing, locally known by its date, May 13, 1985,[2] was the aerial bombing of a house, and the destruction of 61 more houses by the subsequent fire, in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, by the Philadelphia Police Department during an armed battle with MOVE, a black liberation organization. MOVE members shot at Philadelphia police who had come to evict them from the house they were using as their headquarters. Philadelphia police aviators then dropped two explosive devices from a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter onto the roof of the house, which was occupied at the time. For 90 minutes, the Philadelphia Police Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring houses over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless.[3] Six adults and five children were killed in the attack;[4] two occupants of the house, one adult and one child, survived. A lawsuit in federal court found that the city used excessive force and violated constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure.[5] Furthermore it's a stretch to claim that some incident that killed 11 people is somehow expandable to nuking a whole city.
- raw_anon_1111 11mo ago
  No, it’s the idea that no one cared. If San Francisco was bombed tomorrow, MAGA would celebrate and say “he owned the libs”. If the MOVE bombing had happened today, conservative media would dig up everything everyone who got killed did ave say they “deserved it”.

ericmay 11mo ago

There are no red or blue cities or states. This is a made up fiction and we should stop using those terms because they are divisive and only serve to make the country weak. > Can you actually come up with a scenario where a few yokels in the south running around the field playing militia could overthrow the US government? No because that's a strawman. Though those yokels on January 6th sure gave it a try. > If today, the National Guard dropped a non nuclear bomb on a blue city, 40% of the US population would shrug if not outright cheer. This would never happen unless there's a zombie apocalypse or that city was invaded by another country. No American would cheer a nuclear bomb being dropped on New York or Houston or something - why are you even entertaining such outlandish nonsense?

JustExAWS 11mo ago
There are very much two views of what America should be like and pretending there isn’t is why Democrats keep losing. 40% of Americans cheer how the current administration treats immigrants, non straight people, etc and continue defend the words of a racist podcaster. They wouldn’t want a “nuclear” bomb because it affects them. But there was no real fallout politically for the police MOVE bombing. If you don’t think this country is divided, you haven’t been looking at where this country is and it’s view on reality. Those yokels on January 6th tried. But do you think they could have overcome even the local SWAT let alone the military? There have been yokels running around for decades trying. Heck an entire Confedrrsre army couldn’t defeat the US government backed by the states
- ericmay 11mo ago
  > Those yokels on January 6th tried. But do you think they could have overcome even the local SWAT let alone the military? Well they did - they weren't far away from grabbing Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence. What's the US military going to do? It's not really equipped for this kind of stuff, oh and those yokels didn't really bring a ton of firearms, but they could have. Thankfully I don't think those yokels expected to have the success that they did and they didn't really intend to try and overthrow the government, though I personally believe they all should have been tried as many of them were. > There are very much two views of what America should be like and pretending there isn’t is why Democrats keep losing. The Democrats are losing because their ideas are by and large bad, and most Americans don't agree with them. Communism? Open Borders? Those are the topics that dominate the Democratic Party right now and as an independent I also find those ideas completely unpalatable, even though perhaps stupidly I still keep voting for Democrats locally because the MAGA goons make me so mad. I'm not suggesting the country isn't divided - it always has been and it's perhaps more divided now because people are spending all day on the Internet, but further dividing the country be calling things "red" or "blue" is actively harmful. Besides even in those so called "red" or "blue" areas there are plenty of people who are on the other side of the dominating spectrum. Plenty of rural Californias who vote Republican, plenty of liberals in Kansas City.
  - JustExAWS 11mo ago
    No one is advocating for “communism” any more than Obama was a “secret Muslim trying to bring Sharia law into the US”. If you want to talk “socialism” that’s what you call tariffs that US citizens are paying and redistributing the taxes to farmers hurt by the tariffs. Again do you think if the terrorist on Jan 6th had bern minorities there wouldn’t have been overwhelming force? Even if they did manage to get to Pelosi and Pence, they weren’t going to overthrow the entire government. What could the military do? They had guns. They could shoot people. I’m well stew that red and blue is not statewide and there are more Republican voters in California than South Dakota.
    - ericmay 11mo ago

gruez 11mo ago

>https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/socprac/vol10/iss1/15/ Strange you linked to some random journal article describing the incident as "In 1985 police bombed the Philadelphia headquarters occupied by members of the black counterculture group MOVE.". The wikipedia article adds far needed context: >The 1985 MOVE bombing, locally known by its date, May 13, 1985,[2] was the aerial bombing of a house, and the destruction of 61 more houses by the subsequent fire, in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, by the Philadelphia Police Department during an armed battle with MOVE, a black liberation organization. MOVE members shot at Philadelphia police who had come to evict them from the house they were using as their headquarters. Philadelphia police aviators then dropped two explosive devices from a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter onto the roof of the house, which was occupied at the time. For 90 minutes, the Philadelphia Police Department allowed the resulting fire to burn out of control, destroying 61 previously evacuated neighboring houses over two city blocks and leaving 250 people homeless.[3] Six adults and five children were killed in the attack;[4] two occupants of the house, one adult and one child, survived. A lawsuit in federal court found that the city used excessive force and violated constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure.[5] Furthermore it's a stretch to claim that some incident that killed 11 people is somehow expandable to nuking a whole city.

raw_anon_1111 11mo ago
No, it’s the idea that no one cared. If San Francisco was bombed tomorrow, MAGA would celebrate and say “he owned the libs”. If the MOVE bombing had happened today, conservative media would dig up everything everyone who got killed did ave say they “deserved it”.