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I didn’t know who Elizondo is. I just read a little. It appears he’s been pretty comprehensively debunked? By serious UAP problem did you mean problem with peo

I didn’t know who Elizondo is. I just read a little. It appears he’s been pretty comprehensively debunked? By serious UAP problem did you mean problem with people claiming everything is a UAP, or did you mean problem in the sense of “there are lots of UAPs and we don’t know why”?

Marshferm 1y ago
The transition from burning bush to UFO to UAP... I wonder of we modernized our relationship to phenomena in technology and shift from spectral beings to extraterrestrial beings as a built-in problem of explanations, based in some simplistic reliance of cause and effect. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X2200183X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X2...
- datavirtue 1y ago
  Yes, people used to see fairies a lot.
montjoy 1y ago
There are probably 1000s of reports of from people across the globe that are seeing very similar things that remain unexplained. If the evidence went to a courtroom, I think certain UAP “cases” would pass have a positive “verdict” based on overwhelming circumstantial evidence. However, science has a higher bar (as it should) so when we ask our experts what’s happening they have to say “no evidence” or else lose their credibility.
- Marshferm 1y ago
  The debunking of each case of UAP I've seen involves a mixture of science and folk science. They're fairly easily debunked if your persepctive changes.
  - montjoy 1y ago
    Some, yes. If you’re genuinely curious I’d invite you to read project blue book or read through nuforc reports. But I get it. If I hadn’t heard some things first hand from credible witnesses I’d be more skeptical too.
beyondCritics 1y ago
For the records: I'm taking it very seriously and had this book in mind: Elizondo, L. (2024). Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs. William Morrow. The tone is very dark though.
- Marshferm 1y ago
  https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-ufo-book-imminent.13613/ https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-uf...

Marshferm 1y ago

The transition from burning bush to UFO to UAP... I wonder of we modernized our relationship to phenomena in technology and shift from spectral beings to extraterrestrial beings as a built-in problem of explanations, based in some simplistic reliance of cause and effect. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X2200183X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X2...

datavirtue 1y ago
Yes, people used to see fairies a lot.

montjoy 1y ago

There are probably 1000s of reports of from people across the globe that are seeing very similar things that remain unexplained. If the evidence went to a courtroom, I think certain UAP “cases” would pass have a positive “verdict” based on overwhelming circumstantial evidence. However, science has a higher bar (as it should) so when we ask our experts what’s happening they have to say “no evidence” or else lose their credibility.

Marshferm 1y ago
The debunking of each case of UAP I've seen involves a mixture of science and folk science. They're fairly easily debunked if your persepctive changes.
- montjoy 1y ago
  Some, yes. If you’re genuinely curious I’d invite you to read project blue book or read through nuforc reports. But I get it. If I hadn’t heard some things first hand from credible witnesses I’d be more skeptical too.

beyondCritics 1y ago

For the records: I'm taking it very seriously and had this book in mind: Elizondo, L. (2024). Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs. William Morrow. The tone is very dark though.

Marshferm 1y ago
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-ufo-book-imminent.13613/ https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-uf...