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>Economies of scale are huge in software and IT since once it's written copying and running code is basically free. If that were true, then all these governmen

>Economies of scale are huge in software and IT since once it's written copying and running code is basically free. If that were true, then all these government IT projects from these infamous consultancies would all come in-time and under budget, but that's never the case, because every government wants things completely different than the other government, so it's never a just a copy-paste, fire-and-forget type of job.

1oooqooq 1y ago
oh it very much is. they just act and bill like it's not. corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. for construction it's the exagerated foundation which they only actually deliver what's needed and pocket the difference. for software it is the hundreds of rewrites that may or may not have happened and are now in the past.
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  > corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. No, that is plain fraud. Corruption is paying so that no one notices or cares about the the costs that can't be justified after delivery.
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    i guess your pedantry is right. it would be much more expensive to pay for corruption without the "safety" of some well executed fraud... but now it's open season and nobody even have to care about looking innocent anymore.
Ajedi32 1y ago
On time and under budget is relative to what you set the budget and deadlines to in the first place. If these companies had to rewrite Excel from scratch for every client I guarantee you the budgeted cost would be a lot higher (and they'd probably still go over that figure).
- harvey9 1y ago
  Nobody suggested rewriting Excel or even customising libre office. These projects are often ERPs which get customised to the client's requirements. Chaos and ballooning costs often follow for all the usual reasons.
  - Ajedi32 1y ago
    My point is "completely different than the other government" is only true to an extent. Even with significant customization, there's still a lot shared which benefits immensely from economies of scale. As you said, nobody's rewriting Excel.

1oooqooq 1y ago

oh it very much is. they just act and bill like it's not. corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. for construction it's the exagerated foundation which they only actually deliver what's needed and pocket the difference. for software it is the hundreds of rewrites that may or may not have happened and are now in the past.

tsimionescu 1y ago
> corruption requires costs you cannot verify after delivery. No, that is plain fraud. Corruption is paying so that no one notices or cares about the the costs that can't be justified after delivery.
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  i guess your pedantry is right. it would be much more expensive to pay for corruption without the "safety" of some well executed fraud... but now it's open season and nobody even have to care about looking innocent anymore.

Ajedi32 1y ago

On time and under budget is relative to what you set the budget and deadlines to in the first place. If these companies had to rewrite Excel from scratch for every client I guarantee you the budgeted cost would be a lot higher (and they'd probably still go over that figure).

harvey9 1y ago
Nobody suggested rewriting Excel or even customising libre office. These projects are often ERPs which get customised to the client's requirements. Chaos and ballooning costs often follow for all the usual reasons.
- Ajedi32 1y ago
  My point is "completely different than the other government" is only true to an extent. Even with significant customization, there's still a lot shared which benefits immensely from economies of scale. As you said, nobody's rewriting Excel.