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If your talking about employment verification, no they don't say why. Just confirm dates of employment. If you get fired you can lie about it. No one can find

by tayo42 1y ago

If your talking about employment verification, no they don't say why. Just confirm dates of employment. If you get fired you can lie about it. No one can find out.

senderista 1y ago
That doesn't mean the hiring manager can't go through informal backchannels to find out.
- tayo42 1y ago
  Ehh I got fired once, the new hiring manager would have to know the manager I reported to be able to find out. I actually had a different manager at the same company ask me if I was interested in coming back becasue he didn't know a different manager fired me. You need to be memorable enough too. Backchanel is not really a real concern unless you did something really fucked up. Otherwise who do you think knows?
  - senderista 1y ago
    It depends. If you're in a niche industry/specialization then people might know each other.
taeric 1y ago
I confess this surprises me. I didn't think they had to give specific details, but I thought they had to at least confirm whose decision it was for the termination.
- stackskipton 1y ago
  Companies don't have to answer any questions about your employment, they are just nice about it. Whose decision could reveal something about employee and if employee thinks it's bullshit, that's defamation lawsuit possibility. I even know companies who bosses talk good about people they have fired because having ex-employee stew is not good. Get them a new job and move on.
- bluGill 1y ago
  In most cases when a company wants to fire someone they will first pull them into an office and tell them they are allowed to submit their resignation right now. If this happens it is normally best for you to accept that offer as then they will say you left in good standing. At least this way you can find a new job. There is the possible exception that you already have enough evidence that you were going to sue them anyway, then you can take that you were fired to your lawyer (you should already have a lawyer and gotten their advice on the situation). However I don't think this has ever been the case for anyone. The other exception is when the police are there and will arrest you as part of firing you. I'm not aware of this happening, but it seems like it probably has at some point (like once per decade across all jobs in the world)
  - taeric 1y ago
    I'm fine with the idea that they won't share specifically that they fired someone for a specific reason. The surprising part, to me, is that they can't share if it was company's decision to end the relationship. My understanding was that if you just up and quit, then you don't qualify for unemployment benefits. And I hasten to add that I'm fine being wrong on this point. Surprise can last a bit, though. :D
    - bluGill 1y ago
      What they tell unemployment can be different from random "companies". Large companies have a policy of only given dates worked and "left in good standing" (or rarely not - but not is something they can be sued for and so rarely given because best case it will cost them half a million in lawyers fees if they win in court)
      - taeric 1y ago
        Makes perfect sense.
  - stackskipton 1y ago
    No, don’t resign instead of getting terminated. The reason they offer that is gets them off the hook for unemployment and makes any lawsuit harder. It’s 100% upside to company. No one is going to know you got fired, if they call the company, it’s just dates and title, probably say in good standing. It’s in old company best interest for you to get a new job because jobless people start talking to lawyers when they get desperate.
cj 1y ago
When employers do a reference check, the reference has a choice of: 1) Sticking to the legally safe answer of only confirming dates OR 2) Confirm dates and share a few anecdotes about how the person was good to work with If a previous employer chooses only to confirm dates, and refuses to answer any other questions, it's often a way of signaling something bad went down but you can't talk about it.

by tayo42 1y ago

If your talking about employment verification, no they don't say why. Just confirm dates of employment. If you get fired you can lie about it. No one can find out.

senderista 1y ago

That doesn't mean the hiring manager can't go through informal backchannels to find out.

tayo42 1y ago
Ehh I got fired once, the new hiring manager would have to know the manager I reported to be able to find out. I actually had a different manager at the same company ask me if I was interested in coming back becasue he didn't know a different manager fired me. You need to be memorable enough too. Backchanel is not really a real concern unless you did something really fucked up. Otherwise who do you think knows?
- senderista 1y ago
  It depends. If you're in a niche industry/specialization then people might know each other.

taeric 1y ago

I confess this surprises me. I didn't think they had to give specific details, but I thought they had to at least confirm whose decision it was for the termination.

stackskipton 1y ago
Companies don't have to answer any questions about your employment, they are just nice about it. Whose decision could reveal something about employee and if employee thinks it's bullshit, that's defamation lawsuit possibility. I even know companies who bosses talk good about people they have fired because having ex-employee stew is not good. Get them a new job and move on.
bluGill 1y ago
In most cases when a company wants to fire someone they will first pull them into an office and tell them they are allowed to submit their resignation right now. If this happens it is normally best for you to accept that offer as then they will say you left in good standing. At least this way you can find a new job. There is the possible exception that you already have enough evidence that you were going to sue them anyway, then you can take that you were fired to your lawyer (you should already have a lawyer and gotten their advice on the situation). However I don't think this has ever been the case for anyone. The other exception is when the police are there and will arrest you as part of firing you. I'm not aware of this happening, but it seems like it probably has at some point (like once per decade across all jobs in the world)
- taeric 1y ago
  I'm fine with the idea that they won't share specifically that they fired someone for a specific reason. The surprising part, to me, is that they can't share if it was company's decision to end the relationship. My understanding was that if you just up and quit, then you don't qualify for unemployment benefits. And I hasten to add that I'm fine being wrong on this point. Surprise can last a bit, though. :D
  - bluGill 1y ago
    What they tell unemployment can be different from random "companies". Large companies have a policy of only given dates worked and "left in good standing" (or rarely not - but not is something they can be sued for and so rarely given because best case it will cost them half a million in lawyers fees if they win in court)
    - taeric 1y ago
      Makes perfect sense.
- stackskipton 1y ago
  No, don’t resign instead of getting terminated. The reason they offer that is gets them off the hook for unemployment and makes any lawsuit harder. It’s 100% upside to company. No one is going to know you got fired, if they call the company, it’s just dates and title, probably say in good standing. It’s in old company best interest for you to get a new job because jobless people start talking to lawyers when they get desperate.

cj 1y ago

When employers do a reference check, the reference has a choice of: 1) Sticking to the legally safe answer of only confirming dates OR 2) Confirm dates and share a few anecdotes about how the person was good to work with If a previous employer chooses only to confirm dates, and refuses to answer any other questions, it's often a way of signaling something bad went down but you can't talk about it.