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> The range of possibilities and the speed at which they can be realized is far greater with genetic engineering. This is 100% false. Random genetic change hap

> The range of possibilities and the speed at which they can be realized is far greater with genetic engineering. This is 100% false. Random genetic change happens often across the billions of seeds planted every year. GMO is a much much smaller amount of change that targets a very tiny section of DNA. > what will a country do when a GMO seed company starts taking over farms? That is unrelated to GMO. Seed companies existed for many decades before GMO. There is a reason they have not taken over: the economics of running a large farm do not pay - they still need employees at each farm to learn the field and make decision on what works - soil is not 100% uniform and often farmers plant different seeds in the same field (that is 4 different corn seeds depending on the soil- the low areas get a variety that handles wet conditions better, while the high areas need to handle drought. Then there is the sand/clay mix... And that is a very high level overview, you can get a phd in soil if you want details). Someone needs to make decisions about what fertilizer to use. Someone needs to take the risk of good/bad weather, tariffs, and all the other things farmers do. There is a lot of value to seed companies in not having to worry about that. > Like store-brand products in supermarkets, such company farms have a competitive advantage in that they can get seeds cheaper, so it could happen they slowly take over all farming. This is a competitive disadvantage. A seed company doesn't make the best seed for all situations, so if they end up with a farm where their competitors seeds are better they are losing value putting their own seeds in their fields - seeds that they cannot then sell to a different field where they would do better. Remember from above planting 4 different seeds in a field is not uncommon - 1 of those might be from a different company. > the health reason Has nothing to do with GMO.

like_any_other 1y ago
> This is 100% false. Random genetic change happens often across the billions of seeds planted every year. Yet in all the billions of mice born every year, not one was born luminescent [1]. Peddle your lies somewhere else. > There is a lot of value to seed companies in not having to worry about that. Yet many companies vertically integrate, and get a competitive edge. You think soil and weather diversity is an unassailable moat? > That is unrelated to GMO. I explicitly explained how it is related to GMO. > This is a competitive disadvantage. A seed company doesn't make the best seed for all situations Can still buy from other seed companies, same as any other farmer. But they get a discount on their own seeds, unlike other farmers. > Has nothing to do with GMO. I explained how GMO enables it. [1] https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/02/glowing-mice-suggest-new-gene-therapy-technique https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/02/glowing-mice-sugge...
- bluGill 1y ago
  > Yet in all the billions of mice born every year, not one was born luminescent That is random chance. There is no reason to think it won't happen next year. A statistician can calculate the odds - but remember that the odds are the same for every other random mutation - yet many of them happen. (many many more will not)

like_any_other 1y ago

> This is 100% false. Random genetic change happens often across the billions of seeds planted every year. Yet in all the billions of mice born every year, not one was born luminescent [1]. Peddle your lies somewhere else. > There is a lot of value to seed companies in not having to worry about that. Yet many companies vertically integrate, and get a competitive edge. You think soil and weather diversity is an unassailable moat? > That is unrelated to GMO. I explicitly explained how it is related to GMO. > This is a competitive disadvantage. A seed company doesn't make the best seed for all situations Can still buy from other seed companies, same as any other farmer. But they get a discount on their own seeds, unlike other farmers. > Has nothing to do with GMO. I explained how GMO enables it. [1] https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/02/glowing-mice-suggest-new-gene-therapy-technique https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/02/glowing-mice-sugge...

bluGill 1y ago
> Yet in all the billions of mice born every year, not one was born luminescent That is random chance. There is no reason to think it won't happen next year. A statistician can calculate the odds - but remember that the odds are the same for every other random mutation - yet many of them happen. (many many more will not)