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Evolutionary processes present themselves everywhere from political systems, social organization, genetic algorithms in computer science. If evolution doesn't

Evolutionary processes present themselves everywhere from political systems, social organization, genetic algorithms in computer science. If evolution doesn't exist, then why do we constantly see processes evolve based on a feedback cycle of constant experimentation, survival, failure, etc. Isn't that word evolution? Is there another word I am supposed to use? So I stand by what I said, if evolution isn't real (i.e. evolution doesn't happen) that all things are complex by-design, and never by uncontrolled processes of iteration and survival, if that is true, then evolutionary algorithms wouldn't work. Is that really absurd? What am I not getting?

anamax 14y ago
> If evolution doesn't exist, then why do we constantly see processes evolve based on a feedback cycle of constant experimentation, survival, failure, etc. > Isn't that word evolution? No. As I wrote, evolution is a stronger claim. Evolution involves feedback but not all feedback is evolution. Many stable amplifier designs use feedback. Would you claim that the signal being amplified is evolving? As to man-made entities, yes, their designs are affected by feedback. However, they're also created. As I said, creationists believe in selective breeding. Their argument wrt evolution is wrt something else, so if you don't understand that.... > So I stand by what I said, if evolution isn't real (i.e. evolution doesn't happen) that all things are complex by-design, and never by uncontrolled processes of iteration and survival, if that is true, then evolutionary algorithms wouldn't work. You do know that you didn't say that above, right? However, I'll play along. Your new claim is wrong because algorithms with feedback can work even if evolution doesn't occur in the wild. As to your suggestion that evolution is involved in every complex system, I'll ask how stars evolved. They're very complex systems. There are lots of complex systems. Evolution only applies to the biological ones.
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anamax 14y ago

> If evolution doesn't exist, then why do we constantly see processes evolve based on a feedback cycle of constant experimentation, survival, failure, etc. > Isn't that word evolution? No. As I wrote, evolution is a stronger claim. Evolution involves feedback but not all feedback is evolution. Many stable amplifier designs use feedback. Would you claim that the signal being amplified is evolving? As to man-made entities, yes, their designs are affected by feedback. However, they're also created. As I said, creationists believe in selective breeding. Their argument wrt evolution is wrt something else, so if you don't understand that.... > So I stand by what I said, if evolution isn't real (i.e. evolution doesn't happen) that all things are complex by-design, and never by uncontrolled processes of iteration and survival, if that is true, then evolutionary algorithms wouldn't work. You do know that you didn't say that above, right? However, I'll play along. Your new claim is wrong because algorithms with feedback can work even if evolution doesn't occur in the wild. As to your suggestion that evolution is involved in every complex system, I'll ask how stars evolved. They're very complex systems. There are lots of complex systems. Evolution only applies to the biological ones.

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