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Another browser plugin hole? Yawn. It's disabled in Firefox and Chrome anyway. Let them disable it for good and enable by exception. Who uses Java in browser a

Another browser plugin hole? Yawn. It's disabled in Firefox and Chrome anyway. Let them disable it for good and enable by exception. Who uses Java in browser anyway? WebEx and some weird VPN solutions?

ComputerGuru 14y ago
And - get this - banks. Chase requires Java to see pending Checks for business banking w/ fraud protection which lets you OK or reject checks before they're detected from your account. Whereas they have scanned JPEGs for account history check images, the pending fraud control check images require Java.
- bennysaurus 14y ago
  Some banks are researching into extending that functionality too - creating effectively a disposable browser inside your browser to help mitigate against keylogging and screenshotting account details.
- dools 14y ago
  What's more surprising: banks using Java in the browser or people using cheques in 2012!
  - sukuriant 14y ago
    Checks allow for instant transfer of money between two banks, for free. That's what I still use them for.
    - stephengillie 14y ago
      It's not free. The cost is paid for by interest you don't receive.
      - plorkyeran 14y ago
        Which is pretty much irrelevant in these days of 1% interest rates.
      - nuclear_eclipse 14y ago
        My credit union pays me 3.5% APY on my checking account. And yes, that's 3.5%, not 0.35%.
        ghshephard 14y ago
        Which credit union would that be? Given that my cube mate just refinanced his Mortgage at 3.375%, no points, I sense there is an arbitrage opportunity here somewhere. I am willing to wager your credit union is not paying you 3.5% APY on your checking account. That is, if you had $10,000 in your checking account at the end of the year, and you just left it there, you would not have $10,375 at the end of year. There is a restriction/surcharge in there that you haven't mentioned.
        whatusername 14y ago
        If you're willing to wear currency risk: http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/personal_finance/6/3/nab_article_088716?urid=1348625975506 http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/personal_... I wish I could re-finance my mortgage at 3.375% fixed. :(
        ghshephard 14y ago
        I'm happy to hook you up with my cube-mate's mortgage broker. He isn't bearing any of the costs, no points, not even an appraisal fee. This is a 30 year fixed mortgage. His position is basically, "I'll refinance if you bear 100% of the service charges and I don't give you any money for anything." [Edit - Oh. Australia. :-)]
        nuclear_eclipse 14y ago
        You would lose that wager. The restriction is that there's an upper-bound on the amount you can earn that interest rate on ($15,000), and you must have at least X number of check card and ACH transactions per month, but there are no fees or surcharges. I also get ATM fee refunds up to $12/mo when I need to use out-of-network ATMs. This is why I don't understand why people keep going back to banks and getting screwed every single time. The bank is there to make money off its customers; the credit union, by definition, is there to make money for its customers. https://www.kemba.com/checking-savings/checking/get-green-checking/ https://www.kemba.com/checking-savings/checking/get-green-ch...
    - steveh73 14y ago
      Don't they take several days? Does the US seriously not having something equivalent to direct credit?
      - bmj 14y ago
        Many banks will instantly deposit checks up a certain amount (say $500), and deposit some percentage of large checks immediately, with the rest deposited after the check has cleared the writer's bank.
      - MikeCodeAwesome 14y ago
        Checks are frequently turned into ACH transactions. You may be interested in http://www.occ.gov/topics/consumer-protection/depository-services/writing-check.html#whatshappening http://www.occ.gov/topics/consumer-protection/depository-ser....
  - ComputerGuru 14y ago
    We use ACH direct deposits for all our transactions when possible, but when not, check is really the only other option. Credit card fees are far too expensive for the recipient (3-5%) for large amounts. We are typically asked to write checks by lawyers :) Everyone else has moved to electronic banking. Checks are also handy for one-off payments to people (not companies!) you don't know and won't meet again.
- vibrunazo 14y ago
  My bank does that to. I can only make online payments on my bank website if I install a browser java applet they call an "anti-virus". I stopped using it when they did it.
huxley 14y ago
Amazon uses it in the S3 dashboard for their "Enhanced Uploader (BETA)"
vitno 14y ago
all of the damn physics simulations out there... I'm taking a physics course right now...
shinratdr 14y ago
Any 10+ year old web applications (then called 'applets') that wanted to avoid the single browser nature of ActiveX or the mediocre performance of Flash.
pilif 14y ago
We used it to read bar codes from connected barcode scanners. It worked fine since 2004 but with all the security issues around, I developed another solution this summer which doesn't rely on Java. Of course in the Enterprise where about 50% of our end-users are, it's still easier to tell them that they should install Java rather than something they don't know. Which leads to us having to support both methods.
- ttt_ 14y ago
  Do you mind elaborating a bit on your solution that doesn't rely on Java? We have a similar case though with printers.
anodari 14y ago
Whenever we need to access some hardware (printers, smart cards, cameras, automate file updloads and downloads) we have to rely on a Java applet or Flash. The user must agree to the Java security warning before. Until browsers don't give us a better multi-browser and multi-plataform solution, we still need to use Java. Some of the html5 specs are to solve these issues.

ComputerGuru 14y ago

And - get this - banks. Chase requires Java to see pending Checks for business banking w/ fraud protection which lets you OK or reject checks before they're detected from your account. Whereas they have scanned JPEGs for account history check images, the pending fraud control check images require Java.

bennysaurus 14y ago
Some banks are researching into extending that functionality too - creating effectively a disposable browser inside your browser to help mitigate against keylogging and screenshotting account details.
dools 14y ago
What's more surprising: banks using Java in the browser or people using cheques in 2012!
- sukuriant 14y ago
  Checks allow for instant transfer of money between two banks, for free. That's what I still use them for.
  - stephengillie 14y ago
    It's not free. The cost is paid for by interest you don't receive.
    - plorkyeran 14y ago
      Which is pretty much irrelevant in these days of 1% interest rates.
    - nuclear_eclipse 14y ago
      My credit union pays me 3.5% APY on my checking account. And yes, that's 3.5%, not 0.35%.
      - ghshephard 14y ago
        Which credit union would that be? Given that my cube mate just refinanced his Mortgage at 3.375%, no points, I sense there is an arbitrage opportunity here somewhere. I am willing to wager your credit union is not paying you 3.5% APY on your checking account. That is, if you had $10,000 in your checking account at the end of the year, and you just left it there, you would not have $10,375 at the end of year. There is a restriction/surcharge in there that you haven't mentioned.
        whatusername 14y ago
        If you're willing to wear currency risk: http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/personal_finance/6/3/nab_article_088716?urid=1348625975506 http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/personal_... I wish I could re-finance my mortgage at 3.375% fixed. :(
        ghshephard 14y ago
        I'm happy to hook you up with my cube-mate's mortgage broker. He isn't bearing any of the costs, no points, not even an appraisal fee. This is a 30 year fixed mortgage. His position is basically, "I'll refinance if you bear 100% of the service charges and I don't give you any money for anything." [Edit - Oh. Australia. :-)]
        nuclear_eclipse 14y ago
        You would lose that wager. The restriction is that there's an upper-bound on the amount you can earn that interest rate on ($15,000), and you must have at least X number of check card and ACH transactions per month, but there are no fees or surcharges. I also get ATM fee refunds up to $12/mo when I need to use out-of-network ATMs. This is why I don't understand why people keep going back to banks and getting screwed every single time. The bank is there to make money off its customers; the credit union, by definition, is there to make money for its customers. https://www.kemba.com/checking-savings/checking/get-green-checking/ https://www.kemba.com/checking-savings/checking/get-green-ch...
  - steveh73 14y ago
    Don't they take several days? Does the US seriously not having something equivalent to direct credit?
    - bmj 14y ago
      Many banks will instantly deposit checks up a certain amount (say $500), and deposit some percentage of large checks immediately, with the rest deposited after the check has cleared the writer's bank.
    - MikeCodeAwesome 14y ago
      Checks are frequently turned into ACH transactions. You may be interested in http://www.occ.gov/topics/consumer-protection/depository-services/writing-check.html#whatshappening http://www.occ.gov/topics/consumer-protection/depository-ser....
- ComputerGuru 14y ago
  We use ACH direct deposits for all our transactions when possible, but when not, check is really the only other option. Credit card fees are far too expensive for the recipient (3-5%) for large amounts. We are typically asked to write checks by lawyers :) Everyone else has moved to electronic banking. Checks are also handy for one-off payments to people (not companies!) you don't know and won't meet again.
vibrunazo 14y ago
My bank does that to. I can only make online payments on my bank website if I install a browser java applet they call an "anti-virus". I stopped using it when they did it.

huxley 14y ago

Amazon uses it in the S3 dashboard for their "Enhanced Uploader (BETA)"

vitno 14y ago

all of the damn physics simulations out there... I'm taking a physics course right now...

shinratdr 14y ago

Any 10+ year old web applications (then called 'applets') that wanted to avoid the single browser nature of ActiveX or the mediocre performance of Flash.

pilif 14y ago

We used it to read bar codes from connected barcode scanners. It worked fine since 2004 but with all the security issues around, I developed another solution this summer which doesn't rely on Java. Of course in the Enterprise where about 50% of our end-users are, it's still easier to tell them that they should install Java rather than something they don't know. Which leads to us having to support both methods.

ttt_ 14y ago
Do you mind elaborating a bit on your solution that doesn't rely on Java? We have a similar case though with printers.

anodari 14y ago

Whenever we need to access some hardware (printers, smart cards, cameras, automate file updloads and downloads) we have to rely on a Java applet or Flash. The user must agree to the Java security warning before. Until browsers don't give us a better multi-browser and multi-plataform solution, we still need to use Java. Some of the html5 specs are to solve these issues.