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If they do business in the EU they are obligated to follow EU laws, and if they have committed crimes they should be subject to arrest and extradition. I know

If they do business in the EU they are obligated to follow EU laws, and if they have committed crimes they should be subject to arrest and extradition. I know you're making a point about Ofcom censorship, and I agree, but we cannot set the precedent that "if you commit your crimes using a company in Delaware, they're not illegal." If you program your AI-drone to murder your enemies, that's fine as long as the control server is offshore?

anonym29 1y ago
Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? Either laws in other countries matter in yours (regardless of how different they are from your own) or they don't. Picking and choosing which country's laws you do or don't want to consider yourself bound to on moral grounds is not fundamentally very different from picking which of your own country's laws you do or don't want to consider yourself bound to on moral grounds.
- bbg2401 1y ago
  An entity must follow the law of each jurisdiction it conducts business. This is not a novel concept. If an entity wishes to process data of citizens of a particular country, then they must follow the laws and regulations of said country, in those instances.
  - JoshTriplett 1y ago
    The entire point of this is that the jurisdictional argument is unclear. As abhorrent as Clearview's business is, businesses should only be subject to the jurisdictions they actually reside in or have employees in or otherwise have a legal nexus in. Otherwise, you end up in a world in which someone says "because citizens of country X can remotely access your website, you are subject to the laws of X", for every single X in the world. If a country wants to control what its citizens access it can put up its own firewall and deal with the backlash from its own citizens. Let's not help move towards per-country internets.
- potatototoo99 1y ago
  Yes? Of course? Have you ever traveled and thought their laws didn't apply to you?
  - lunar_mycroft 1y ago
    It seems clear from the context that what's being discussed is not "can a country enforce it's laws on a foreign citizen within it's borders" but "can a country enforce it's laws on a foreign citizen outside it's borders". If I were ever to go to North Korea their government could of course arrest me for insulting Kim Jong Un. What they could not do, and absolutely should not be able to do, is have my local police in the US arrest me for doing the same at home. Yes, even if I do it on the internet where a citizen of North Korea might theoretically see, or make use of content I acquired over the internet that originated in that country.
- miningape 1y ago
  > Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? Are these EU citizens operating/running businesses in the above countries? Are they even inside the above countries? How are you even comparing a company which operates in the EU to an EU citizen who is residing in the EU?
- pjc50 1y ago
  The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act tried to enforce the US embargo on Cuba on everyone trading with Cuba, American or not.
- toofy 1y ago
  > Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? if they do business in those jurisdictions, yes, of course. if a new york cpa does business in ohio they need to be licensed in ohio and follow ohio laws. even if their firm and majority of work is based in new york. i’m really surprised people find this confusing.

anonym29 1y ago

Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? Either laws in other countries matter in yours (regardless of how different they are from your own) or they don't. Picking and choosing which country's laws you do or don't want to consider yourself bound to on moral grounds is not fundamentally very different from picking which of your own country's laws you do or don't want to consider yourself bound to on moral grounds.

bbg2401 1y ago
An entity must follow the law of each jurisdiction it conducts business. This is not a novel concept. If an entity wishes to process data of citizens of a particular country, then they must follow the laws and regulations of said country, in those instances.
- JoshTriplett 1y ago
  The entire point of this is that the jurisdictional argument is unclear. As abhorrent as Clearview's business is, businesses should only be subject to the jurisdictions they actually reside in or have employees in or otherwise have a legal nexus in. Otherwise, you end up in a world in which someone says "because citizens of country X can remotely access your website, you are subject to the laws of X", for every single X in the world. If a country wants to control what its citizens access it can put up its own firewall and deal with the backlash from its own citizens. Let's not help move towards per-country internets.
potatototoo99 1y ago
Yes? Of course? Have you ever traveled and thought their laws didn't apply to you?
- lunar_mycroft 1y ago
  It seems clear from the context that what's being discussed is not "can a country enforce it's laws on a foreign citizen within it's borders" but "can a country enforce it's laws on a foreign citizen outside it's borders". If I were ever to go to North Korea their government could of course arrest me for insulting Kim Jong Un. What they could not do, and absolutely should not be able to do, is have my local police in the US arrest me for doing the same at home. Yes, even if I do it on the internet where a citizen of North Korea might theoretically see, or make use of content I acquired over the internet that originated in that country.
miningape 1y ago
> Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? Are these EU citizens operating/running businesses in the above countries? Are they even inside the above countries? How are you even comparing a company which operates in the EU to an EU citizen who is residing in the EU?
pjc50 1y ago
The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helms%E2%80%93Burton_Act tried to enforce the US embargo on Cuba on everyone trading with Cuba, American or not.
toofy 1y ago
> Should European citizens be subject to the laws of Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and pals? if they do business in those jurisdictions, yes, of course. if a new york cpa does business in ohio they need to be licensed in ohio and follow ohio laws. even if their firm and majority of work is based in new york. i’m really surprised people find this confusing.