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It should be simple enough to use the odometer. If the vehicle drives significantly outside the country or on private roads, then a GPS-based odometer seems sim

It should be simple enough to use the odometer. If the vehicle drives significantly outside the country or on private roads, then a GPS-based odometer seems simple enough. I'm sure a 1GB SD-card can geofence the public road network of most countries so that the taxed odometer rolls only when on taxed roads. Doesn't seem like a privacy nightmare, and this kind of system is more practical than an online server-based one, given that mobile signals are especially uncommon when off-roading or roaming internationally.

thaumasiotes 1y ago
> It should be simple enough to use the odometer. The odometer lets the owner know whether the car needs maintenance. Also, it determines the resale value of the car, and in this context modifying a car's odometer is a crime. If you start fining people for having certain odometer readings, you're doing a lot of damage to the idea that modifying the reading should be a crime. In general, the more purposes you want something to serve, the less effective it's going to be at each of those purposes.
- avidiax 1y ago
  I'm sure the ANPR network in the UK will make short work of people rolling back odometers, especially now that it is tax evasion. The sort of people that roll back odometers are also the sort that steal post-pay gas by driving off and fail to carry insurance, and fill their diesel vehicles with tax-free dyed agricultural fuel, etc. They will have a scheme no matter the system, and the system will have a scheme for them.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    When you change the meaning of the odometer, you also change what "the sort of people that roll back odometers" means.
    - Arainach 1y ago
      I don't agree. Lying to other people buying your car to get more money and lying to the government to pay less tax are both unethical for the same reason and are the same sort of person. The odometer says how far the car has gone. Nothing is being changed about it.

thaumasiotes 1y ago

> It should be simple enough to use the odometer. The odometer lets the owner know whether the car needs maintenance. Also, it determines the resale value of the car, and in this context modifying a car's odometer is a crime. If you start fining people for having certain odometer readings, you're doing a lot of damage to the idea that modifying the reading should be a crime. In general, the more purposes you want something to serve, the less effective it's going to be at each of those purposes.

avidiax 1y ago
I'm sure the ANPR network in the UK will make short work of people rolling back odometers, especially now that it is tax evasion. The sort of people that roll back odometers are also the sort that steal post-pay gas by driving off and fail to carry insurance, and fill their diesel vehicles with tax-free dyed agricultural fuel, etc. They will have a scheme no matter the system, and the system will have a scheme for them.
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  When you change the meaning of the odometer, you also change what "the sort of people that roll back odometers" means.
  - Arainach 1y ago
    I don't agree. Lying to other people buying your car to get more money and lying to the government to pay less tax are both unethical for the same reason and are the same sort of person. The odometer says how far the car has gone. Nothing is being changed about it.