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Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-nar

by cozzyd 1y ago

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-narratives-and-comparative-contexts https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

dzhiurgis 1y ago
[flagged]
- a0123 1y ago
  Ah yes, America. The place where you get beaten to death for being a fascist asshole. It is well known. Famously.
- churchill 1y ago
  Do you mean Elon Musk? Bryanston High School and Pretoria Boys High School were all-white, so any beating he received (I'm assuming you're referring to the same savage incident Kimball was) was at the hands of other white boys. So, being attacked and nearly killed by other white boys does not validate his opinions on apartheid.
palmotea 1y ago
> Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) Impossible! That article was "Fact checked by Grok yesterday!" I'm glad we've solved the LLM hallucination problem by fact-checking with LLMs. No way that could go wrong.
sergiotapia 1y ago
You can select text, and send factual errors to be fixed. If you found something wrong in that article you should submit some fixes.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  eh that requires making an account, which I'd prefer not to.
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    You won’t even do that to correct the apartheid apologetics that you pointed out?
    - fragmede 1y ago
      [flagged]
    - rsynnott 1y ago
      I mean, given who runs it, one would assume the apartheid apologetics are by design. I can think of few things more pointless than trying to correct Musk’s safe space.
    - croes 1y ago
      Who decides which fixes will be used? Seems unlikely that you or I could correct anything.
    - LexiMax 1y ago
      If someone disagrees with the mission of Grokipedia, not contributing is the correct play.
- measurablefunc 1y ago
  Why would you do free work for a company which is planning to profit from your labor? Wikipedia/Wikimedia is a non-profit. All of their money pays for real expenses instead of whatever vanity project Musk has decided is necessary to sell xAI to the masses.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    Do you think Wikimedia doesn't profit off of the contributions people make to Wikipedia? >pays for real expenses Only a small percentage of donations do. >instead of whatever vanity project Anytime the topic of Wikimedia donations come up you will see people complaining about their vanity projects too, wishing they could donate towards wikipedia itself.
LudwigNagasena 1y ago
By "apartheid apologetics" do you mean that it is factually wrong or merely that you dislike the framing? I think there is a huge difference between those two accusations.
- croes 1y ago
  >A prevailing narrative depicts apartheid as a system of unremitting total oppression for black South Africans, yet empirical data indicate substantial advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era. This is a false contradiction. You can oppress people and still pay them higher wages and fight illteracy.
  - a0123 1y ago
    No you can't. You also don't seem to understand "apologetics"?
    - croes 1y ago
      So by your logic the people of the german democratic republic weren’t oppressed because they got free education and proper wages. I think the citizens saw that differently.
  - dmix 1y ago
    It's not presenting that as an opinion or purely facts-based though, it's documenting other narratives that exist in the world under a "Legacy and Critical Assessments" headline.
    - croes 1y ago
      It presents a false logic like it's not A because B but B has nothing to do with A. You can say, you are not poor because you own a house but you can not claim you are not poor because you can read. That's not another narrative that's a false contradiction
  - sebastiennight 1y ago
roryirvine 1y ago
I've spotted surprising amounts of confidently-stated nonsense even in fairly neutral articles where Elon / xAI is unlikely to have a particular political slant. Many of the most glaring errors are linked to references which either directly contradict Grokipedia's assertion or don't mention the supposed fact one way or the other. I guess this is down to LLM hallucinations? I've not used Grok before, but the problems I spotted in 15 mins of casual browsing made it feel like the output of SoA models 2-3 years ago. Has this been done on the cheap? I suspect that xAI should probably have prioritised quality over quantity for the initial launch.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > I suspect that xAI should probably have prioritised quality over quantity for the initial launch. I mean, I don't think this is _for_ people who care about quality, tbh. For those, there is wikipedia. This is more of a safe space for Musk.
  - palmotea 1y ago
    > I mean, I don't think this is _for_ people who care about quality, tbh. For those, there is wikipedia. This is more of a safe space for Musk. Wikipedia isn't for those who care about quality, either. It's still quantity over quality, just not as badly as this LLM garbage.
    - wredcoll 1y ago
      [citation needed]
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      But it is much, much better than the encyclopedias that it replaced.
  - ElijahLynn 1y ago
    > safe space for Musk ++
- 1y ago
reaperducer 1y ago
Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) Weird that it displaying some other web site's embed/shortcodes: > ![Cottage Grove-bound Green Line train approaching Roosevelt station][float-right] The Green Line utilizes primarily 5000-series railcars
- cozzyd 1y ago
  Strange indeed. That feels like it shouldn't happen at all.
davydm 1y ago
I'm no apartheid apologist, but I have lived here (ZA) all my life. Whilst I haven't read the entire article, the first paragraph is actually on-point: apartheid was shit in a lot of respects, but the schools, especially in rural areas, have dramatically declined since 1994, as have most government-run companies (with the exceptions like Eskom being bailed out every year). You don't have to like the facts, but that's what they are.
- iloveyou1xrobot 1y ago
  But this is literal apartheid apologia. Saying "advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era" as if those things are due to apartheid is offensively absurd. How about we advance literacy and wages without, you know, all the apartheid.
  - balaz 1y ago
    By "we" I will understand that you mean Africans. Otherwise, you might be committing one (1) colonialism. So, ask the rest of Africa how that has gone for them.
    - iloveyou1xrobot 1y ago
      [flagged]
- a0123 1y ago
  I wonder if something called "context" and the socio-economic direction might have something to do with it. "I think we gotta hand it to Apartheid because schools were very slightly less worse" isn't the argument you think it is. It does paint where you stand quite clearly. Never start a sentence with "I'm no apartheid apologist, but". Nothing good can ever come out of it.
- tim333 1y ago
  Yeah I used to date a coloured girl from Jo'berg who'd grown up in that era and she was positive that they had some degree of prosperity and modern comforts unlike the surrounding African countries. The overwhelming flow of people voting with their feet and walking across the borders was from the surrounding countries to SA rather than vice versa.
extraduder_ire 1y ago
Might be a good idea to copy some example snippets. The website doesn't have a revision history and could change after you post a link.
qingcharles 1y ago
As a Green Line enjoyer, I'm not enough of an expert to spot the factual errors. The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on. If I wanted to know that much about the Green Line I could probably just buy a book on it.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  Among the more obvious errors are short runs to UIC/Halsted and a northwestern trajectory along Lake St from the loop. But yes, it also suffers from attention to irrelevant detail.
  - cozzyd 1y ago
    Keeping with the Green theme the page on Green's Functions (https://grokipedia.com/page/Green's_function https://grokipedia.com/page/Green's_function) sounds like it's having a stroke
- 113 1y ago
  The problem I have with most AI output like this is that it's just a huge wall of text that doesn't really say anything.
- TYPE_FASTER 1y ago
  While ChatGPT tells me it's unable to access the linked page directly from Grokipedia (lolol), I was able to download the content, copy/paste it into ChatGPT, and ask it to fact check it. I think I will do this more often, with other sites (and other models) as well, going forward, as Chat is able to categorize statements as being correct vs. misleading vs. flat out wrong. > The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on. And yes, that's what I'm noticing as well. There is a clear attempt to establish a narrative.

by cozzyd 1y ago

dzhiurgis 1y ago

[flagged]

a0123 1y ago
Ah yes, America. The place where you get beaten to death for being a fascist asshole. It is well known. Famously.
churchill 1y ago
Do you mean Elon Musk? Bryanston High School and Pretoria Boys High School were all-white, so any beating he received (I'm assuming you're referring to the same savage incident Kimball was) was at the hands of other white boys. So, being attacked and nearly killed by other white boys does not validate his opinions on apartheid.

palmotea 1y ago

> Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) Impossible! That article was "Fact checked by Grok yesterday!" I'm glad we've solved the LLM hallucination problem by fact-checking with LLMs. No way that could go wrong.

sergiotapia 1y ago

You can select text, and send factual errors to be fixed. If you found something wrong in that article you should submit some fixes.

cozzyd 1y ago
eh that requires making an account, which I'd prefer not to.
- andsoitis 1y ago
  You won’t even do that to correct the apartheid apologetics that you pointed out?
  - fragmede 1y ago
    [flagged]
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    I mean, given who runs it, one would assume the apartheid apologetics are by design. I can think of few things more pointless than trying to correct Musk’s safe space.
  - croes 1y ago
    Who decides which fixes will be used? Seems unlikely that you or I could correct anything.
  - LexiMax 1y ago
    If someone disagrees with the mission of Grokipedia, not contributing is the correct play.
measurablefunc 1y ago
Why would you do free work for a company which is planning to profit from your labor? Wikipedia/Wikimedia is a non-profit. All of their money pays for real expenses instead of whatever vanity project Musk has decided is necessary to sell xAI to the masses.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Do you think Wikimedia doesn't profit off of the contributions people make to Wikipedia? >pays for real expenses Only a small percentage of donations do. >instead of whatever vanity project Anytime the topic of Wikimedia donations come up you will see people complaining about their vanity projects too, wishing they could donate towards wikipedia itself.

LudwigNagasena 1y ago

By "apartheid apologetics" do you mean that it is factually wrong or merely that you dislike the framing? I think there is a huge difference between those two accusations.

croes 1y ago
>A prevailing narrative depicts apartheid as a system of unremitting total oppression for black South Africans, yet empirical data indicate substantial advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era. This is a false contradiction. You can oppress people and still pay them higher wages and fight illteracy.
- a0123 1y ago
  No you can't. You also don't seem to understand "apologetics"?
  - croes 1y ago
    So by your logic the people of the german democratic republic weren’t oppressed because they got free education and proper wages. I think the citizens saw that differently.
- dmix 1y ago
  It's not presenting that as an opinion or purely facts-based though, it's documenting other narratives that exist in the world under a "Legacy and Critical Assessments" headline.
  - croes 1y ago
    It presents a false logic like it's not A because B but B has nothing to do with A. You can say, you are not poor because you own a house but you can not claim you are not poor because you can read. That's not another narrative that's a false contradiction
- sebastiennight 1y ago

roryirvine 1y ago

I've spotted surprising amounts of confidently-stated nonsense even in fairly neutral articles where Elon / xAI is unlikely to have a particular political slant. Many of the most glaring errors are linked to references which either directly contradict Grokipedia's assertion or don't mention the supposed fact one way or the other. I guess this is down to LLM hallucinations? I've not used Grok before, but the problems I spotted in 15 mins of casual browsing made it feel like the output of SoA models 2-3 years ago. Has this been done on the cheap? I suspect that xAI should probably have prioritised quality over quantity for the initial launch.

rsynnott 1y ago
> I suspect that xAI should probably have prioritised quality over quantity for the initial launch. I mean, I don't think this is _for_ people who care about quality, tbh. For those, there is wikipedia. This is more of a safe space for Musk.
- palmotea 1y ago
  > I mean, I don't think this is _for_ people who care about quality, tbh. For those, there is wikipedia. This is more of a safe space for Musk. Wikipedia isn't for those who care about quality, either. It's still quantity over quality, just not as badly as this LLM garbage.
  - wredcoll 1y ago
    [citation needed]
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    But it is much, much better than the encyclopedias that it replaced.
- ElijahLynn 1y ago
  > safe space for Musk ++
1y ago

reaperducer 1y ago

Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA) Weird that it displaying some other web site's embed/shortcodes: > ![Cottage Grove-bound Green Line train approaching Roosevelt station][float-right] The Green Line utilizes primarily 5000-series railcars

cozzyd 1y ago
Strange indeed. That feels like it shouldn't happen at all.

davydm 1y ago

I'm no apartheid apologist, but I have lived here (ZA) all my life. Whilst I haven't read the entire article, the first paragraph is actually on-point: apartheid was shit in a lot of respects, but the schools, especially in rural areas, have dramatically declined since 1994, as have most government-run companies (with the exceptions like Eskom being bailed out every year). You don't have to like the facts, but that's what they are.

iloveyou1xrobot 1y ago
But this is literal apartheid apologia. Saying "advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era" as if those things are due to apartheid is offensively absurd. How about we advance literacy and wages without, you know, all the apartheid.
- balaz 1y ago
  By "we" I will understand that you mean Africans. Otherwise, you might be committing one (1) colonialism. So, ask the rest of Africa how that has gone for them.
  - iloveyou1xrobot 1y ago
    [flagged]
a0123 1y ago
I wonder if something called "context" and the socio-economic direction might have something to do with it. "I think we gotta hand it to Apartheid because schools were very slightly less worse" isn't the argument you think it is. It does paint where you stand quite clearly. Never start a sentence with "I'm no apartheid apologist, but". Nothing good can ever come out of it.
tim333 1y ago
Yeah I used to date a coloured girl from Jo'berg who'd grown up in that era and she was positive that they had some degree of prosperity and modern comforts unlike the surrounding African countries. The overwhelming flow of people voting with their feet and walking across the borders was from the surrounding countries to SA rather than vice versa.

extraduder_ire 1y ago

Might be a good idea to copy some example snippets. The website doesn't have a revision history and could change after you post a link.

qingcharles 1y ago

As a Green Line enjoyer, I'm not enough of an expert to spot the factual errors. The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on. If I wanted to know that much about the Green Line I could probably just buy a book on it.

cozzyd 1y ago
Among the more obvious errors are short runs to UIC/Halsted and a northwestern trajectory along Lake St from the loop. But yes, it also suffers from attention to irrelevant detail.
- cozzyd 1y ago
  Keeping with the Green theme the page on Green's Functions (https://grokipedia.com/page/Green's_function https://grokipedia.com/page/Green's_function) sounds like it's having a stroke
113 1y ago
The problem I have with most AI output like this is that it's just a huge wall of text that doesn't really say anything.
TYPE_FASTER 1y ago
While ChatGPT tells me it's unable to access the linked page directly from Grokipedia (lolol), I was able to download the content, copy/paste it into ChatGPT, and ask it to fact check it. I think I will do this more often, with other sites (and other models) as well, going forward, as Chat is able to categorize statements as being correct vs. misleading vs. flat out wrong. > The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on. And yes, that's what I'm noticing as well. There is a clear attempt to establish a narrative.