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Can you please stop posting unsubstantive/fulminatey comments? We've already asked you this multiple times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45022004 https

by dang 1y ago

Can you please stop posting unsubstantive/fulminatey comments? We've already asked you this multiple times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45022004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45022004 (Aug 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44396920 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44396920 (June 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43028401 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43028401 (Feb 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39337678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39337678 (Feb 2024) You've obviously got some substantive points to make here, which is great, but indignant putdown rhetoric has a destructive effect on the threads. If you could just make your substantive points thoughtfully, we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

cyberax 1y ago
OK, I will tone it down. However, it IS also a description of the current state of affairs in the MCP land. The comment threads and proposals in the MCP projects are dominated by the LLM-generated text, so it is almost impossible to keep the full picture in one's mind. LLMs made it possible to create an overwhelming amount of activity with ease. Moreover, a lot of _code_ for the MCP servers is also AI-generated and has never been used in practice. It's easy to verify. Here are Github search results for the ProxyOAuthServerProvider that is supposed to delegate the authentication to a third-party server: https://github.com/search?q=ProxyOAuthServerProvider&type=code https://github.com/search?q=ProxyOAuthServerProvider&type=co... There are 215 results at the time of writing, and all but 3 of them are either forks of or LLM-fueled rewrites of the same code from the `modelcontextprotocol` repo. And one of the 3 is mine, and it doesn't quite work. So yes, "It's just more of AI slop". Sorry. That's just a neutral description of the current state of affairs in the MCP/AI world. And yes, it's absolutely horrifying.
- brazukadev 1y ago
  I've made some contributions to the typescript-sdk and I'm part of the MCP Contributors server and can confirm, it was all vibecoded and the direction it is going is really not promising.
- dang 1y ago
  I don't have any problem with this argument* and if you had posted this comment originally I wouldn't have replied. The "absolutely horrifying" bit at the end is a bit beyond the pale, but not, er, absolutely horrifying. (Btw, that makes your comment a case of the so-called rebound effect (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20rebound&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...) - one of the more interesting phenomena we've noticed.) * I mean qua moderator of course. Qua reader, I have no opinion.
  - cyberax 1y ago
    Yes, I'm sorry about that. I really should not write one-line comments without taking time to detail them. I will just stay silent in future in these cases. > bit beyond the pale Uhm... Why? It's an honest question. I thought that "horrifying" (as in "inducing horror") is a normal descriptor, not racially/sexually loaded or anything. The AI situation certainly induces real dread in me.
    - dang 1y ago
      I did say "a bit" :) - I guess because it pattern-matches to internet rhetoric for me. By 'internet rhetoric' I mean something where the largeness/sensationalness of the claim is high and the information content is low. (Oh also, the leading "And yes" is a bit of an internet trope) This is quite minor though; if it distracts from the main point, I'd say forget it.

by dang 1y ago

cyberax 1y ago

OK, I will tone it down. However, it IS also a description of the current state of affairs in the MCP land. The comment threads and proposals in the MCP projects are dominated by the LLM-generated text, so it is almost impossible to keep the full picture in one's mind. LLMs made it possible to create an overwhelming amount of activity with ease. Moreover, a lot of _code_ for the MCP servers is also AI-generated and has never been used in practice. It's easy to verify. Here are Github search results for the ProxyOAuthServerProvider that is supposed to delegate the authentication to a third-party server: https://github.com/search?q=ProxyOAuthServerProvider&type=code https://github.com/search?q=ProxyOAuthServerProvider&type=co... There are 215 results at the time of writing, and all but 3 of them are either forks of or LLM-fueled rewrites of the same code from the `modelcontextprotocol` repo. And one of the 3 is mine, and it doesn't quite work. So yes, "It's just more of AI slop". Sorry. That's just a neutral description of the current state of affairs in the MCP/AI world. And yes, it's absolutely horrifying.

brazukadev 1y ago
I've made some contributions to the typescript-sdk and I'm part of the MCP Contributors server and can confirm, it was all vibecoded and the direction it is going is really not promising.
dang 1y ago
I don't have any problem with this argument* and if you had posted this comment originally I wouldn't have replied. The "absolutely horrifying" bit at the end is a bit beyond the pale, but not, er, absolutely horrifying. (Btw, that makes your comment a case of the so-called rebound effect (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20rebound&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...) - one of the more interesting phenomena we've noticed.) * I mean qua moderator of course. Qua reader, I have no opinion.
- cyberax 1y ago
  Yes, I'm sorry about that. I really should not write one-line comments without taking time to detail them. I will just stay silent in future in these cases. > bit beyond the pale Uhm... Why? It's an honest question. I thought that "horrifying" (as in "inducing horror") is a normal descriptor, not racially/sexually loaded or anything. The AI situation certainly induces real dread in me.
  - dang 1y ago
    I did say "a bit" :) - I guess because it pattern-matches to internet rhetoric for me. By 'internet rhetoric' I mean something where the largeness/sensationalness of the claim is high and the information content is low. (Oh also, the leading "And yes" is a bit of an internet trope) This is quite minor though; if it distracts from the main point, I'd say forget it.