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That’s crazytalk. It sounds like something Pam Bondi would say but the other way around. If you celebrate a clear terrorist attack on civilians, you don’t have

That’s crazytalk. It sounds like something Pam Bondi would say but the other way around. If you celebrate a clear terrorist attack on civilians, you don’t have to be saying the name Voldemort (Hamas) out loud for everyone to see who you are.

bigyabai 1y ago
How do we define a terrorist attack? Do we defer to the ICC, the ICJ, the US, the Knesset or the PLO? Because if we apply that logic across the board, then the United States and Israel are both objectively complicit in internationally illegal war crimes. Any citizens that promote their legitimacy is trying to undermine global order, obstruct legitimate democracy and prevent criminal justice for organized terrorism. Both sides have their faults, but I'm not willing to indict Hamdi for the same reason I don't accuse US citizens of being responsible for Abu Ghraib. It's not justice, just pugilism.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  I agree with you on this 100%. Israel and the US are complicit in war crimes, especially of late. But I won’t believe for a second he wasn’t celebrating Hamas. I don’t want to associate with him in any way except defending his right to free speech.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    > But I won’t believe for a second he wasn’t celebrating Hamas. That's fine. But we can both agree that bigotry is not evidence of a crime. If we expanded this "I won't believe for a second" logic further, any number of Americans could be arrested for any reason. It's a slippery slope that you are making more slippery by making immaterial correlations. What you assume is not the same as actual rhetoric.
    - actionfromafar 1y ago
      Sorry, maybe you misunderstand me. I don't see any evidence of a crime. I don't think he commited one. I am committed to Free Speech.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  >How do we define a terrorist attack? Violence for political aims. So yes, that necessarily includes when some alphabet soup agency makes a big show of having some mid-tier guy's door kicked in at 6am by a bunch of fed-cops for violating some law that HN loves.

bigyabai 1y ago

How do we define a terrorist attack? Do we defer to the ICC, the ICJ, the US, the Knesset or the PLO? Because if we apply that logic across the board, then the United States and Israel are both objectively complicit in internationally illegal war crimes. Any citizens that promote their legitimacy is trying to undermine global order, obstruct legitimate democracy and prevent criminal justice for organized terrorism. Both sides have their faults, but I'm not willing to indict Hamdi for the same reason I don't accuse US citizens of being responsible for Abu Ghraib. It's not justice, just pugilism.

actionfromafar 1y ago
I agree with you on this 100%. Israel and the US are complicit in war crimes, especially of late. But I won’t believe for a second he wasn’t celebrating Hamas. I don’t want to associate with him in any way except defending his right to free speech.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  > But I won’t believe for a second he wasn’t celebrating Hamas. That's fine. But we can both agree that bigotry is not evidence of a crime. If we expanded this "I won't believe for a second" logic further, any number of Americans could be arrested for any reason. It's a slippery slope that you are making more slippery by making immaterial correlations. What you assume is not the same as actual rhetoric.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    Sorry, maybe you misunderstand me. I don't see any evidence of a crime. I don't think he commited one. I am committed to Free Speech.
potato3732842 1y ago
>How do we define a terrorist attack? Violence for political aims. So yes, that necessarily includes when some alphabet soup agency makes a big show of having some mid-tier guy's door kicked in at 6am by a bunch of fed-cops for violating some law that HN loves.