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I believe it is not safe to bike there. There are also probably some areas that are dangerous/unpleasant to walk through.

by bearmf 14y ago

stephengillie 14y ago
Why don't people start some sort of Safe Streets or Neighborhood Watch program? Take Back The Night? If there are really so many productive people in the city, can't they at least travel together in groups for protection? It sounds as if the entire city has this problem in common, but nobody is interested in solving it, and most people view it as their own personal issue. Is it more dangerous to walk somewhere, or to be stuck in traffic with your large asset? If crime is so bad, why do people feel safer in cars, if the car is constantly stuck in traffic? What's to stop a criminal from going up to a stopped car and mugging/kidnapping the driver?
- dudus 14y ago
  Almost everyone in the city got robbed at least once while in their cars, but it's still safer than walking or biking. I got robbed once, in over 16 years I lived in the city. They stole just some bucks I had laying around and a cellphone. You see a lot of people that share rides, but you have to live almost in the same street and work at almost the same place so it makes sense. You could bike, but keep in mind that the city is very rainy, so it's not a solution for everyday. There are not many bike lanes in the city, and the few that exist are not on the most busy roads, so you actually have to bike way longer than 10 miles in that example. I would not bike in São Paulo on a day to day basis for that distance. But robbers don't usually take cars, they rather go for wallets, watches and cellphones instead. kidnaps are very common as well. São Paulo has what they call lightning kidnaps. The robber enters your car and makes you drive around the city cashing money out of ATMs and then they just leave. The banks have adapted to that, and if you take money from 2 different ATMs in a short spam the card will get blocked for a day or two. I was never kidnaped but I know at least 4 people who had.
  - stephengillie 14y ago
    So people that work together but live a couple neighborhoods apart will just drive separately? Wow, it sounds like nobody has seen this poster: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3615/3399729832_330d4a5bed_z.jpg?zz=1 http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3615/3399729832_330d4a5bed_z.j...
    - dudus 14y ago
      > So people that work together but live a couple neighborhoods apart will just drive separately? If someone lives a couple neighborhoods out of my way than no. That can easily add 30-40 minutes to my travel. So sorry pal but just can't do it. If it's on my way than sure it's possible. but otherwise it just doesn't work. The streets inside the neibourhoods are just as crowded as the highways and avenues or worse. And the city is just too much spread out. The chances of someone that works with you to live close by are slim in a city with over 11M people.
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I believe it is not safe to bike there. There are also probably some areas that are dangerous/unpleasant to walk through.

by bearmf 14y ago

I believe it is not safe to bike there. There are also probably some areas that are dangerous/unpleasant to walk through.

stephengillie 14y ago

Why don't people start some sort of Safe Streets or Neighborhood Watch program? Take Back The Night? If there are really so many productive people in the city, can't they at least travel together in groups for protection? It sounds as if the entire city has this problem in common, but nobody is interested in solving it, and most people view it as their own personal issue. Is it more dangerous to walk somewhere, or to be stuck in traffic with your large asset? If crime is so bad, why do people feel safer in cars, if the car is constantly stuck in traffic? What's to stop a criminal from going up to a stopped car and mugging/kidnapping the driver?

dudus 14y ago
Almost everyone in the city got robbed at least once while in their cars, but it's still safer than walking or biking. I got robbed once, in over 16 years I lived in the city. They stole just some bucks I had laying around and a cellphone. You see a lot of people that share rides, but you have to live almost in the same street and work at almost the same place so it makes sense. You could bike, but keep in mind that the city is very rainy, so it's not a solution for everyday. There are not many bike lanes in the city, and the few that exist are not on the most busy roads, so you actually have to bike way longer than 10 miles in that example. I would not bike in São Paulo on a day to day basis for that distance. But robbers don't usually take cars, they rather go for wallets, watches and cellphones instead. kidnaps are very common as well. São Paulo has what they call lightning kidnaps. The robber enters your car and makes you drive around the city cashing money out of ATMs and then they just leave. The banks have adapted to that, and if you take money from 2 different ATMs in a short spam the card will get blocked for a day or two. I was never kidnaped but I know at least 4 people who had.
- stephengillie 14y ago
  So people that work together but live a couple neighborhoods apart will just drive separately? Wow, it sounds like nobody has seen this poster: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3615/3399729832_330d4a5bed_z.jpg?zz=1 http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3615/3399729832_330d4a5bed_z.j...
  - dudus 14y ago
    > So people that work together but live a couple neighborhoods apart will just drive separately? If someone lives a couple neighborhoods out of my way than no. That can easily add 30-40 minutes to my travel. So sorry pal but just can't do it. If it's on my way than sure it's possible. but otherwise it just doesn't work. The streets inside the neibourhoods are just as crowded as the highways and avenues or worse. And the city is just too much spread out. The chances of someone that works with you to live close by are slim in a city with over 11M people.
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