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Yeah I hate this, installed a new CPU and none of my passkeys work. The browser asks my phone and they don't trust each other and not a damn clue how to fix it.

by bakies 1y ago

coldpie 1y ago
You could have used an open source client to manage your passkeys as you like, including backing them up in your own storage format. I wrote about it here: <https://www.smokingonabike.com/2025/01/04/passkey-marketing-is-lying-to-you/ https://www.smokingonabike.com/2025/01/04/passkey-marketing-...> I was quite excited about it... until I found out that the Passkey spec authors have warned that client that it may face server-side bans because it lets you manage your own private key how you want, and the spec authors think this is appropriate for servers to do. So I deleted all my Passkeys. Sigh.
- elric 1y ago
  Reading these comments, I'm happy to see that I'm not the only passkey skeptic.
  - coldpie 1y ago
    You'll probably enjoy this article from one of the original creators of the Passkey ecosystem: > Since then Passkeys are now seen as a way to capture users and audiences into a platform. What better way to encourage long term entrapment of users then by locking all their credentials into your platform, and even better, credentials that can't be extracted or exported in any capacity. https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/2024-04-26-passkeys-a-shattered-dream/ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/2024-04-26-passkeys-a-shatt... Fingers crossed the Passkey user experience remains so bad no one accepts them & they just die on the vine.
rcxdude 1y ago
Yep, big problem with them: most users have no idea where the thing that pops up and offers to store the passkeys actually stores them (sounds like in your case, in your computer's TPM was either on the CPU you replaced or complained and reset itself when the CPU changed). It's a ticking timebomb that all the 'users love passkeys! (after we nag them about it every time they login until they give up)' blogs fail to catch.
ianburrell 1y ago
Don't store passkeys in hardware. They are more secure that way, but more dangerous if you lose them. Your passkeys were stored on the old CPU and are gone. If you do, you need to store on multiple devices like phone, tablet, and computer, but that is harder to manage. Better to store passkeys in password manager. Then they become more secure passwords. The big advantage is that they can't be phished, and sites don't use 2FA with them. It also means you can choose password manager that you trust and work better than Apple and Google.

Yeah I hate this, installed a new CPU and none of my passkeys work. The browser asks my phone and they don't trust each other and not a damn clue how to fix it.

by bakies 1y ago

Yeah I hate this, installed a new CPU and none of my passkeys work. The browser asks my phone and they don't trust each other and not a damn clue how to fix it.

coldpie 1y ago

You could have used an open source client to manage your passkeys as you like, including backing them up in your own storage format. I wrote about it here: <https://www.smokingonabike.com/2025/01/04/passkey-marketing-is-lying-to-you/ https://www.smokingonabike.com/2025/01/04/passkey-marketing-...> I was quite excited about it... until I found out that the Passkey spec authors have warned that client that it may face server-side bans because it lets you manage your own private key how you want, and the spec authors think this is appropriate for servers to do. So I deleted all my Passkeys. Sigh.

elric 1y ago
Reading these comments, I'm happy to see that I'm not the only passkey skeptic.
- coldpie 1y ago
  You'll probably enjoy this article from one of the original creators of the Passkey ecosystem: > Since then Passkeys are now seen as a way to capture users and audiences into a platform. What better way to encourage long term entrapment of users then by locking all their credentials into your platform, and even better, credentials that can't be extracted or exported in any capacity. https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/2024-04-26-passkeys-a-shattered-dream/ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/2024-04-26-passkeys-a-shatt... Fingers crossed the Passkey user experience remains so bad no one accepts them & they just die on the vine.

rcxdude 1y ago

Yep, big problem with them: most users have no idea where the thing that pops up and offers to store the passkeys actually stores them (sounds like in your case, in your computer's TPM was either on the CPU you replaced or complained and reset itself when the CPU changed). It's a ticking timebomb that all the 'users love passkeys! (after we nag them about it every time they login until they give up)' blogs fail to catch.

ianburrell 1y ago

Don't store passkeys in hardware. They are more secure that way, but more dangerous if you lose them. Your passkeys were stored on the old CPU and are gone. If you do, you need to store on multiple devices like phone, tablet, and computer, but that is harder to manage. Better to store passkeys in password manager. Then they become more secure passwords. The big advantage is that they can't be phished, and sites don't use 2FA with them. It also means you can choose password manager that you trust and work better than Apple and Google.