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Ah, very Germanic tactics against some Mediterranean foe. Us, Southern Mediterranean/half Atlantic guys, we have it easier. We would just put fake data, hints a

by anthk 1y ago

Ah, very Germanic tactics against some Mediterranean foe. Us, Southern Mediterranean/half Atlantic guys, we have it easier. We would just put fake data, hints and traces untl they get mad and paranoid between themselves, we are experts on that since forever. Also, the Southern part of the country (which I am pretty much not related culturally at least on folklore and tons of customs) managed to bribe even the Russian mafias. They were that crazy, it's like a force of nature. OFC don't try backstabbing back these kind of people, some 'folklorical' people are pretty much clan/family based (even more than the Southern Italians) and they will kick your ass back in the most unexpected, random and non-spectacular way ever, pretty much the opposite of the Mexican cartels where they love to do showoff and displays. No, the Southern Iberians are something else, mixed along Atlantics and Mediterranean people since millenia and they know all the tricks, either from the Brits/Germanics to Levantine Semitic foes... You won't expect it. You are like some Mossad random Levi, roaming around, and you just met some nice middle aged woman on a stereotyped familiar bar where the alleged ties to some clan must be nearly zero, and the day after some crazy Islamic terrorist wacko with ties to drug cartels will try to stab you some Sunday in the morning and he might try to succeed with the dumbest and cheapest way ever. No, is not an exaggeration. We might not be Italy, but don't try to mess up with some kind of people. My country is not Mafia-bound, but criminal cartels, mafias and OFC some terror groups from the Magreb (and these bound to the Middle East ones) have deals with each other because of, you know, weapons and money. And Marbella it's pretty much a hub.

kragen 1y ago
This explains a lot about Argentina.
- anthk 1y ago
  Half of Iberians can't stand the rascal (picaresca) tradition from the other half. Specially the heavy industrialized North. We are not as divided as Italy, as Spain has powerhouses in the South as Airbus and the like, but, yes, there's a 'climatological gap' between the different 'Spains' across the mountains. Not Ethnics, but kinda like what would happen in Italy if the North wasn't as developed (the North of Spain isn't bad but you can't compare it against the Franco-German-Austrian-Italian industrial hub) and the South had their Mafias shut down in the 19th century and if they were more developed than they are compared to the Southern Spain. The South here isn't a shithole as Napoli and the like but some Andalusian coastal places can be far more dangerous than the Basque Country/Navarre in the 80's (terror attacks) for a policeman. OTOH, Belgium it's far closer to be a Narcostate than some microrregions in Spain such as Algeciras in Cádiz (Andalusia) were you can read about the Militarized Police fighting drug boats almost as a daily chore. On Argentina, except for a die hard Ghetto like the '3000 viviendas' and Cañada Real, every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain even at the worst neighbourhood at their town. Iberia it's far more secure than Latin America by a huge margin. The most dangerous issue on any bad town would be either a pickpocket/non-violent rob of watching some low tier drug dealers doing their stuff and maybe some very late night rape issue over months if not years. Far less than anything you would get in Buenos Aires. Unless, as I said, you really want to mess up your like with some sketchy people, the ones you would spot from meters away, especially in remote/nearly hidden taverns/pubs where drug dealing it's widely known. For example, if some pub it's accesed by walking down some stairs into a basement, (where you can't see anything from the outside without going down); even if it looks good, clean, modern, maintained... run away.
  - kragen 1y ago
    > On Argentina, except for a die hard Ghetto like the '3000 viviendas' and Cañada Real, every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain even at the worst neighbourhood at their town. Iberia it's far more secure than Latin America by a huge margin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... lists Argentina at 4.31 murders per 100k population per year, a bit lower than the US's 5.76, while Spain is way down at 0.69, so I think that's sort of true. 6× is sort of "a huge margin". I'm pretty sure there are neighborhoods in Argentina that are lower than 0.69, though, and neighborhoods in Spain that are over 4.31. On the other hand, 4.31 is already low enough that I don't know anybody who's gotten murdered, although when I volunteered in the die-hard ghettos I met people whose children had been murdered before I met them. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mortality_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mortality... we can see that Argentina's crude death rate is 728 deaths per 100k population per year, so 99.4% of deaths are from non-murder causes. If you somehow acquired immunity to all causes of deaths other than murder, and you lived in 02025 Argentina until someone murdered you (through some kind of time-travel Groundhog Day thing, I guess) your life expectancy would be 23000 years. Real-life people who get heart disease and cancer don't really need to worry about getting murdered in Argentina unless they start dating a machista. Consequently, murder is not a major reason that people leave Argentina. (Contrast Honduras at 31.4 murders; Belize with 27.8; South Africa with 45.5; Memphis, Tennessee, with 48.0; or St. Louis, Missouri, with 87.8.) No, the reason every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain is that Spain has an economy.

by anthk 1y ago

kragen 1y ago

This explains a lot about Argentina.

anthk 1y ago
Half of Iberians can't stand the rascal (picaresca) tradition from the other half. Specially the heavy industrialized North. We are not as divided as Italy, as Spain has powerhouses in the South as Airbus and the like, but, yes, there's a 'climatological gap' between the different 'Spains' across the mountains. Not Ethnics, but kinda like what would happen in Italy if the North wasn't as developed (the North of Spain isn't bad but you can't compare it against the Franco-German-Austrian-Italian industrial hub) and the South had their Mafias shut down in the 19th century and if they were more developed than they are compared to the Southern Spain. The South here isn't a shithole as Napoli and the like but some Andalusian coastal places can be far more dangerous than the Basque Country/Navarre in the 80's (terror attacks) for a policeman. OTOH, Belgium it's far closer to be a Narcostate than some microrregions in Spain such as Algeciras in Cádiz (Andalusia) were you can read about the Militarized Police fighting drug boats almost as a daily chore. On Argentina, except for a die hard Ghetto like the '3000 viviendas' and Cañada Real, every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain even at the worst neighbourhood at their town. Iberia it's far more secure than Latin America by a huge margin. The most dangerous issue on any bad town would be either a pickpocket/non-violent rob of watching some low tier drug dealers doing their stuff and maybe some very late night rape issue over months if not years. Far less than anything you would get in Buenos Aires. Unless, as I said, you really want to mess up your like with some sketchy people, the ones you would spot from meters away, especially in remote/nearly hidden taverns/pubs where drug dealing it's widely known. For example, if some pub it's accesed by walking down some stairs into a basement, (where you can't see anything from the outside without going down); even if it looks good, clean, modern, maintained... run away.
- kragen 1y ago
  > On Argentina, except for a die hard Ghetto like the '3000 viviendas' and Cañada Real, every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain even at the worst neighbourhood at their town. Iberia it's far more secure than Latin America by a huge margin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... lists Argentina at 4.31 murders per 100k population per year, a bit lower than the US's 5.76, while Spain is way down at 0.69, so I think that's sort of true. 6× is sort of "a huge margin". I'm pretty sure there are neighborhoods in Argentina that are lower than 0.69, though, and neighborhoods in Spain that are over 4.31. On the other hand, 4.31 is already low enough that I don't know anybody who's gotten murdered, although when I volunteered in the die-hard ghettos I met people whose children had been murdered before I met them. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mortality_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mortality... we can see that Argentina's crude death rate is 728 deaths per 100k population per year, so 99.4% of deaths are from non-murder causes. If you somehow acquired immunity to all causes of deaths other than murder, and you lived in 02025 Argentina until someone murdered you (through some kind of time-travel Groundhog Day thing, I guess) your life expectancy would be 23000 years. Real-life people who get heart disease and cancer don't really need to worry about getting murdered in Argentina unless they start dating a machista. Consequently, murder is not a major reason that people leave Argentina. (Contrast Honduras at 31.4 murders; Belize with 27.8; South Africa with 45.5; Memphis, Tennessee, with 48.0; or St. Louis, Missouri, with 87.8.) No, the reason every Argentinian would love to stay in Spain is that Spain has an economy.