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Fish in the Wrong Place

25 points by ostacke 1y ago

ostacke 1y ago
https://archive.ph/orovn https://archive.ph/orovn
ryukoposting 11mo ago
Ah, there are so many things about the Great Lakes that people who aren't from around here don't realize. Here's the simplest one: They're really, really big. The sights and sounds are indistinguishable from an ocean. The only obvious distinction is that it doesn't smell salty. And, yeah, the damn carp. Electro fishing is the best way we have to handle them, and it supposedly works very well. Carp like to hang around the surface, while many native species swim much deeper in the water, so the electric fences actually filter for the carp pretty well. Recreational fishing gets rid of some of them too, but there are several different species that we collectively call "asian carp," and only some of them bite on fishing lures. Eat more carp, I suppose.
- pivo 11mo ago
  > They're really, really big I remember an interview with a basketball player while he was in Chicago for a game in which he said something like, "Chicago is so beautiful right here on the ocean"
  - wbl 11mo ago
    The New York Court of Appeals agrees, at least for purposes of the Deed of Gift governing the Americas cup.
  - xyzzy_plugh 11mo ago
    "It’s the spookiest thing I’ve ever seen. Hey, when you build a building on the ocean, what do you expect? You expect fog. They should blame themselves for building it on the ocean." - Oil Can Boyd on May 27 1986, after a game at Cleveland Stadium, located on the shore of Lake Erie, is postponed due to fog in the 6th inning.
- dec0dedab0de 11mo ago
  * The sights and sounds are indistinguishable from an ocean.* Not to someone who has been swimming in the ocean their whole life. The great lakes are indeed huge, but the waves are nothing like the ocean.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 11mo ago
    Depends on the weather... https://www.newsflare.com/video/246840/weather-nature/incredible-footage-shows-monster-waves-in-lake-superior-lashing-coast-during-storm https://www.newsflare.com/video/246840/weather-nature/incred...
  - m463 11mo ago
    wonder if there could be a tsunami?
ur-whale 11mo ago
The article's title is somewhat misleading: the bulk of the text is about various human attempts at water-based geo-engineering and environmental control through recent history.
thornton 11mo ago
I was imagining to click a link to an indie hacker’s blog about a story outlining how it’s beneficial to “fish in the wrong place” to solve a problem or something
- discomrobertul8 11mo ago
  I thought it was going to be about the shell
itsoktocry 11mo ago
>But whatever the intention, the results were almost always the same: aquatic colonisers destroyed indigenous environments. Why was everything always good, peaceful and stable in "indigenous environments" until "the colonizers " show up? I find it hard to believe.
- mc32 11mo ago
  Probably because after turmoil from climate change due to melting glaciers after the last ice age things more or less stabilized after thousands of years. The current state will also stabilize but will take some time. I guess people like the status quo -whatever that is.
- daemonologist 11mo ago
  Unstable things tend to wobble around until they find a stable configuration, and then remain there (by definition). This goes for pretty much everything. Introducing some external perturbation can destabilize the thing until it eventually settles into a new stable configuration. But if you've built up lots of systems around the old stable configuration this kind of sucks. (Also, stable configurations can be hard to reach, and "eventually" might be a rather long time.)
- gwbas1c 11mo ago
  Take a look at "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles C. Mann: https://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059/ref=pd_lpo_d_sccl_1/142-2024016-7487835?psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Colu... Mann attempts to reconstruct what the Americas were like before European contact. More importantly, he makes a case that some American Indians had a higher standard of living than Europeans. More importantly, everything really was mostly "good, peaceful and stable ... until the colonizers" showed up. The disrupting factor were the pandemics that happened; not that one culture was superior than the other.
  - IAmBroom 11mo ago
    > More importantly, everything really was mostly "good, peaceful and stable ... until the colonizers" showed up. The disrupting factor were the pandemics that happened; not that one culture was superior than the other. The peaceful, noble savage myth. Native Americans engaged in wars, enslavement, and horrific torture - as did the Europeans. The League of Five Nations was noted for a stable (and therefore largely peaceful) inter-tribe arrangement, but it was a new and exceptional development, just prior to the coincidental arrival of Europeans.

25 points by ostacke 1y ago

https://archive.ph/orovn https://archive.ph/orovn

Ah, there are so many things about the Great Lakes that people who aren't from around here don't realize. Here's the simplest one: They're really, really big. The sights and sounds are indistinguishable from an ocean. The only obvious distinction is that it doesn't smell salty. And, yeah, the damn carp. Electro fishing is the best way we have to handle them, and it supposedly works very well. Carp like to hang around the surface, while many native species swim much deeper in the water, so the electric fences actually filter for the carp pretty well. Recreational fishing gets rid of some of them too, but there are several different species that we collectively call "asian carp," and only some of them bite on fishing lures. Eat more carp, I suppose.

pivo 11mo ago
> They're really, really big I remember an interview with a basketball player while he was in Chicago for a game in which he said something like, "Chicago is so beautiful right here on the ocean"
- wbl 11mo ago
  The New York Court of Appeals agrees, at least for purposes of the Deed of Gift governing the Americas cup.
- xyzzy_plugh 11mo ago
  "It’s the spookiest thing I’ve ever seen. Hey, when you build a building on the ocean, what do you expect? You expect fog. They should blame themselves for building it on the ocean." - Oil Can Boyd on May 27 1986, after a game at Cleveland Stadium, located on the shore of Lake Erie, is postponed due to fog in the 6th inning.
dec0dedab0de 11mo ago
* The sights and sounds are indistinguishable from an ocean.* Not to someone who has been swimming in the ocean their whole life. The great lakes are indeed huge, but the waves are nothing like the ocean.
- FuriouslyAdrift 11mo ago
  Depends on the weather... https://www.newsflare.com/video/246840/weather-nature/incredible-footage-shows-monster-waves-in-lake-superior-lashing-coast-during-storm https://www.newsflare.com/video/246840/weather-nature/incred...
- m463 11mo ago
  wonder if there could be a tsunami?

ur-whale 11mo ago

The article's title is somewhat misleading: the bulk of the text is about various human attempts at water-based geo-engineering and environmental control through recent history.

thornton 11mo ago

I was imagining to click a link to an indie hacker’s blog about a story outlining how it’s beneficial to “fish in the wrong place” to solve a problem or something

discomrobertul8 11mo ago
I thought it was going to be about the shell

itsoktocry 11mo ago

>But whatever the intention, the results were almost always the same: aquatic colonisers destroyed indigenous environments. Why was everything always good, peaceful and stable in "indigenous environments" until "the colonizers " show up? I find it hard to believe.

mc32 11mo ago
Probably because after turmoil from climate change due to melting glaciers after the last ice age things more or less stabilized after thousands of years. The current state will also stabilize but will take some time. I guess people like the status quo -whatever that is.
daemonologist 11mo ago
Unstable things tend to wobble around until they find a stable configuration, and then remain there (by definition). This goes for pretty much everything. Introducing some external perturbation can destabilize the thing until it eventually settles into a new stable configuration. But if you've built up lots of systems around the old stable configuration this kind of sucks. (Also, stable configurations can be hard to reach, and "eventually" might be a rather long time.)
gwbas1c 11mo ago
Take a look at "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by Charles C. Mann: https://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/1400032059/ref=pd_lpo_d_sccl_1/142-2024016-7487835?psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Colu... Mann attempts to reconstruct what the Americas were like before European contact. More importantly, he makes a case that some American Indians had a higher standard of living than Europeans. More importantly, everything really was mostly "good, peaceful and stable ... until the colonizers" showed up. The disrupting factor were the pandemics that happened; not that one culture was superior than the other.
- IAmBroom 11mo ago
  > More importantly, everything really was mostly "good, peaceful and stable ... until the colonizers" showed up. The disrupting factor were the pandemics that happened; not that one culture was superior than the other. The peaceful, noble savage myth. Native Americans engaged in wars, enslavement, and horrific torture - as did the Europeans. The League of Five Nations was noted for a stable (and therefore largely peaceful) inter-tribe arrangement, but it was a new and exceptional development, just prior to the coincidental arrival of Europeans.