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It sounds as if you are suggesting that if some country bans an activity x, then the US ought to ban f(x) for some function f.

• mlrtime 1y ago
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  • hypeatei 1y ago
    > if someone is seen promoting Hamas and celebrating what happened on Dec 7th, their visa should be removed. I, too, love taking someones papers and removing them from the country over their speech. I cheer on the army of government agents scanning social media for wrongthink so that we can rid the country of anti-Israel sentiment.
    • ratelimitsteve 1y ago
      it's important to remember that having a right does not mean having the right to use that right wrong. you have to use your rights right, or the government will step in and right the wrong of you wrongly exercising rights with its right to wrong you. this way our rights are preserved equally: i have the right to say what I want, and you have that very same right (the right to say what i want). It's only fair. Hell, it's only right.
    • tracker1 1y ago
      Subversion or otherwise working against the national interest of a country you are in as a non-citizen is generally a bad idea. Even with a rather generous freedom of speech in the culture. Saying you hate $NATION and that you want it destroyed is definitely saying you don't want to be there and it's probably a good idea not to have you there.
      • hypeatei 1y ago
        No one is arguing about the practicality of speaking out under this regime or that it'd be unwise to do so in other countries as a guest. What is being argued is that the government doing this goes against our values as Americans. It's interesting to observe the same side (right-wingers, libertarians) hold water for these actions while they were painting social media bans as censorship and a violation of their First Amendment rights. Maybe you didn't do that, but your comment certainly reads like a "well, technically their visa can be revoked" argument which is true, but misses the spirit of the First Amendment. EDIT: there might be legal issues too depending on the reason for revocation but I'm not a legal expert. Most things in our constitution apply to people and not just citizens so someone visiting the US also has free speech rights.
        • tracker1 1y ago
          If someone came into my home, told me they hate me, my way of life, want me dead and starts setting fires in my living room, I'm going to kick them out. It's different if their name is on the lease. It also depends on the severity of what someone is doing... there's a difference between speech and action. Saying you disagree with the administration, vs taking hostages and seizing part of a school are different things. Saying you would like to see amnesty for those who entered illegally is different than defrauding the govt, flaunting it on social media and trying to ram a car into a federal agent.
          • hypeatei 1y ago
            Commiting acts of violence, making threats, committing fraud, and ramming federal agents are already against the law and not protected speech. Saying that you think October 7th was good is certainly distasteful but not any of those things mentioned above. > If someone came into my home, told me they hate me, my way of life, want me dead and starts setting fires in my living room This analogy doesn't hold up because it's your house, of course you have the right to keep whatever company you like. Same for social media companies. You're not the government.
            • tracker1 1y ago
      • morshu9001 1y ago
        Wait, did this reporter say he wants America destroyed?