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Just because you don't like the reputation that the Mossad has both gotten and created for itself, doesn't mean that playing on that reputation is in any way an
by tsimionescu 1y ago
Just because you don't like the reputation that the Mossad has both gotten and created for itself, doesn't mean that playing on that reputation is in any way antisemitic. It's fair perhaps to consider it anti-Israel, given that the Mossad is am agency of the state.
And the Mossad really has a terrible reputation, both for efficiency and for being relatively bloody. The assassinations of the nazi officials who had fled to South America are a founding myth (and a positive one, of course - no one should cry for spilled literal nazi regime blood). For a more recent example, you have the campaign of booby-trapped Hezbollah devices that killed or injured quite a few Lebanese civilians along with various militia members, which the Mossad and Israeli government more generally gleefully talked about.
You'll find far fewer similar stories about the CIA or even GRU - at least from any current events (e.g. the CIA's most heinous actions were usually only talked about years later, like their campaigns of terror in Latin America). The GRU's operations are also less talked about, no doubt to a great extent because it is an adversary, and we don't want to talk about how good our adversaries are.
- george916a 1y ago[flagged]
- tsimionescu 1y agoRidiculous on the face of it.
- kotaKat 1y agoInteresting we get these sudden 2 to 3 month old accounts with no comment history popping into these threads to start stirring the pot.
- dralley 1y ago>> For a more recent example, you have the campaign of booby-trapped Hezbollah devices that killed or injured quite a few Lebanese civilians along with various militia members, It was quite possibly the most well targeted large scale military attack on a militia group in history, not to mention nonlethal to 99.5%, including Hezbollah members. What alternative military approaches do you suggest? While collateral damage is always tragic, it was almost inconceivably clean for what it managed to accomplish
- tsimionescu 1y agoThat's irrelevant to the point I was making, that the Mossad is seen, based on evidence, as both an efficient and a ruthless organization. If you want to discuss the merits of the operation, though: for one thing, Israel is not at war with Lebanon, so any attack on Lebanese people, even Hezbollah soldiers, is immoral (as are Hezbollah's attacks on Israel, even the ones that kill Israeli soldiers, are immoral). Secondly, even accepting that Hezbollah militia members are a legitimate war target, that doesn't make all members of Hezbollah legitimate targets. Even in war, attacking troops who are at home on leave, or attacking auxiliary personnel such as military doctors, is not considered a legitimate military target. How many of those killed were active duty military personnel, and how many were not? I would bet that the numbers are much worse than the 99.5% propaganda.
- pjc50 1y ago> Israel is not at war with Lebanon So why do all those rockets keep getting launched from Lebanon into Israel? Lebanon is either de-facto at war with Israel or is a failed state that has lost the ability to keep third party (Iranian Hezbollah) military from violating its ostensible neutrality. We can and should condemn both Israel for indiscriminate violence against civilians, and Iran for escalating this conflict. It feels very weird to say "I don't think there's been enough international condemnation of Iran lately", given how much they've been condemned justly or unjustly my entire lifetime, but they really are both provoking a war whose consequences fall on Lebanese and Palestinians (and Israelis!), while also being a key supplier to Russia in their "illegal" war on Ukraine.
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