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You are wrong. Please read the Turing paper: https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf > A number of

You are wrong. Please read the Turing paper: https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf > A number of interrogators could be used, and statistics compiled to show how often the right identification was given Turing determines that we need enough competent-interrogator passes just to estabilish a statistical certainty, not ~everyone. I tend to agree with him on this.

akoboldfrying 1y ago
Please reread that section. You'll discover it has nothing to do with whether humans can pass the test. If you can find a part of the paper in which Turing really does claim that it is unnecessary for most adult humans to be able to pass the test, by all means quote it. But this would be a surprising thing for him to claim, because it would undermine the entire foundation of his Imitation Game.
- alganet 1y ago
  Do you understand how using statistics to determine degrees of certainty works? That is a must-have to understand academic work. I think that if you did, you wouldn't be answering like you did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value
  - akoboldfrying 1y ago
    Your quote does not back up your claim. My original claim was that the Turing test needs to be passable by ~every adult human. You counterclaimed that Turing himself didn't think so, and provided that quote from the IG paper as evidence. But that quote is in a section about testing digital computers, not humans. Thus it is unconnected to your counterclaim. I don't know how much simpler I can make it. Find a quote that actually backs up your claim, or accept that you've learned something about the paper you told me to read.
    - alganet 1y ago
      He also never says that ~every adult human should pass, ever. He never denied your claim, so you concluded you must be right. A most curious way of thinking.

akoboldfrying 1y ago

Please reread that section. You'll discover it has nothing to do with whether humans can pass the test. If you can find a part of the paper in which Turing really does claim that it is unnecessary for most adult humans to be able to pass the test, by all means quote it. But this would be a surprising thing for him to claim, because it would undermine the entire foundation of his Imitation Game.

alganet 1y ago
Do you understand how using statistics to determine degrees of certainty works? That is a must-have to understand academic work. I think that if you did, you wouldn't be answering like you did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-value
- akoboldfrying 1y ago
  Your quote does not back up your claim. My original claim was that the Turing test needs to be passable by ~every adult human. You counterclaimed that Turing himself didn't think so, and provided that quote from the IG paper as evidence. But that quote is in a section about testing digital computers, not humans. Thus it is unconnected to your counterclaim. I don't know how much simpler I can make it. Find a quote that actually backs up your claim, or accept that you've learned something about the paper you told me to read.
  - alganet 1y ago
    He also never says that ~every adult human should pass, ever. He never denied your claim, so you concluded you must be right. A most curious way of thinking.