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>>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree

>>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. >>Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. >>Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes. Uhm....good? That's great in fact?

lotsofpulp 1y ago
> But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. No, which is why it tells you to keep your eyes on the road and pay attention. It’s literally a bunch of cheap cameras and some software trying to draw some lines and keep the car between them and a certain distance behind whatever is in front of it. >Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. And you can do the same with any other car that has lane assist or whatever feature name that keeps the car in a lane and automatically brakes and accelerates. > Uhm....good? That's great in fact? What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, but also complaining about the thing that makes Tesla Autopilot safer than other automakers’ lane assist/braking feature?
- gambiting 1y ago
  >>What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, Sorry, I should have made it clearer perhaps 3 posts ago. My #1 issue is with Tesla calling it autopilot and selling a "full self driving" upgrades for real money even though they don't exist. Call it "smart lane assist" and I'll shut up. If you care why - because while you and I might understand that "it's just a bunch of cheap cameras keeping your car in the lane" - the public perception clearly doesn't see it that way. People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. And we can say ok, but these people are dumb - sure, they definitely are, but I think pretending like Tesla's marketing isn't playing at least some part of it is just dishonest.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    Full self driving obviously does not exist, but I think Autopilot is just as valid of a name for what it does as smart lane assist. > People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. Need a source on this one. You’d have to be a suicidal maniac to cut a nap on Autopilot, it doesn’t change lanes, it doesn’t stop for traffic lights or red lights or construction signs, and the Tesla very clearly tells you it won’t.
    - gambiting 1y ago
      >>You’d have to be a suicidal maniac to cut a nap on Autopilot And yet.... https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2025/10/26/barrington-hills-police-arrest-tesla-driver-who-claimed-they-were-sleeping-with-car-in-autopilot-when-it-struck-squad-car/ https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2025/10/26/barrington-hil... https://abc7chicago.com/post/tesla-driver-caught-sleeping-autopilot-arrested-trafficking-meth-laced-vapes-north-carolina-police-say/15239762/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/tesla-driver-caught-sleeping-au... https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/canadian-police-arrest-sleeping-driver-tesla-autopilot-1234570071/ https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/canadian-police-arrest-sl... I can keep going, searching google for "tesla driver arrested while asleep" yields at least 20+ results, I didn't keep looking past page 3. As to whether that's more or less common with Volvo or any other brand.....that I can't tell you, you got me there, I don't know if there are public stats on this. But(anecdote) I have never seen a news article about non-Tesla drivers asleep behind the wheel on autopilot-like systems.
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lotsofpulp 1y ago

> But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. No, which is why it tells you to keep your eyes on the road and pay attention. It’s literally a bunch of cheap cameras and some software trying to draw some lines and keep the car between them and a certain distance behind whatever is in front of it. >Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. And you can do the same with any other car that has lane assist or whatever feature name that keeps the car in a lane and automatically brakes and accelerates. > Uhm....good? That's great in fact? What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, but also complaining about the thing that makes Tesla Autopilot safer than other automakers’ lane assist/braking feature?

gambiting 1y ago
>>What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, Sorry, I should have made it clearer perhaps 3 posts ago. My #1 issue is with Tesla calling it autopilot and selling a "full self driving" upgrades for real money even though they don't exist. Call it "smart lane assist" and I'll shut up. If you care why - because while you and I might understand that "it's just a bunch of cheap cameras keeping your car in the lane" - the public perception clearly doesn't see it that way. People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. And we can say ok, but these people are dumb - sure, they definitely are, but I think pretending like Tesla's marketing isn't playing at least some part of it is just dishonest.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  Full self driving obviously does not exist, but I think Autopilot is just as valid of a name for what it does as smart lane assist. > People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. Need a source on this one. You’d have to be a suicidal maniac to cut a nap on Autopilot, it doesn’t change lanes, it doesn’t stop for traffic lights or red lights or construction signs, and the Tesla very clearly tells you it won’t.
  - gambiting 1y ago
    >>You’d have to be a suicidal maniac to cut a nap on Autopilot And yet.... https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2025/10/26/barrington-hills-police-arrest-tesla-driver-who-claimed-they-were-sleeping-with-car-in-autopilot-when-it-struck-squad-car/ https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2025/10/26/barrington-hil... https://abc7chicago.com/post/tesla-driver-caught-sleeping-autopilot-arrested-trafficking-meth-laced-vapes-north-carolina-police-say/15239762/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/tesla-driver-caught-sleeping-au... https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/canadian-police-arrest-sleeping-driver-tesla-autopilot-1234570071/ https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/canadian-police-arrest-sl... I can keep going, searching google for "tesla driver arrested while asleep" yields at least 20+ results, I didn't keep looking past page 3. As to whether that's more or less common with Volvo or any other brand.....that I can't tell you, you got me there, I don't know if there are public stats on this. But(anecdote) I have never seen a news article about non-Tesla drivers asleep behind the wheel on autopilot-like systems.

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