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>>As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know

>>As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. >>Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
>And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant to Tesla informing drivers of the limitations, which the car clearly does. >That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature. Doesn’t seem like you have used a Tesla. There is no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point. Tesla locks you out of you Autopilot look away too much, and they make it clear how it is gimped in case you want to spend $200 per month for their “Full” Self Driving feature. Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes.
- gambiting 1y ago
  >>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. >>Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. >>Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes. Uhm....good? That's great in fact?
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    > But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. No, which is why it tells you to keep your eyes on the road and pay attention. It’s literally a bunch of cheap cameras and some software trying to draw some lines and keep the car between them and a certain distance behind whatever is in front of it. >Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. And you can do the same with any other car that has lane assist or whatever feature name that keeps the car in a lane and automatically brakes and accelerates. > Uhm....good? That's great in fact? What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, but also complaining about the thing that makes Tesla Autopilot safer than other automakers’ lane assist/braking feature?
    - gambiting 1y ago
      >>What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, Sorry, I should have made it clearer perhaps 3 posts ago. My #1 issue is with Tesla calling it autopilot and selling a "full self driving" upgrades for real money even though they don't exist. Call it "smart lane assist" and I'll shut up. If you care why - because while you and I might understand that "it's just a bunch of cheap cameras keeping your car in the lane" - the public perception clearly doesn't see it that way. People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. And we can say ok, but these people are dumb - sure, they definitely are, but I think pretending like Tesla's marketing isn't playing at least some part of it is just dishonest.
      - 1y ago

lotsofpulp 1y ago

>And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant to Tesla informing drivers of the limitations, which the car clearly does. >That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature. Doesn’t seem like you have used a Tesla. There is no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point. Tesla locks you out of you Autopilot look away too much, and they make it clear how it is gimped in case you want to spend $200 per month for their “Full” Self Driving feature. Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes.

gambiting 1y ago
>>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. >>Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. >>Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes. Uhm....good? That's great in fact?
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  > But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. No, which is why it tells you to keep your eyes on the road and pay attention. It’s literally a bunch of cheap cameras and some software trying to draw some lines and keep the car between them and a certain distance behind whatever is in front of it. >Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. And you can do the same with any other car that has lane assist or whatever feature name that keeps the car in a lane and automatically brakes and accelerates. > Uhm....good? That's great in fact? What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, but also complaining about the thing that makes Tesla Autopilot safer than other automakers’ lane assist/braking feature?
  - gambiting 1y ago
    >>What is the logic here? You are complaining about Tesla Autopilot being unsafe, Sorry, I should have made it clearer perhaps 3 posts ago. My #1 issue is with Tesla calling it autopilot and selling a "full self driving" upgrades for real money even though they don't exist. Call it "smart lane assist" and I'll shut up. If you care why - because while you and I might understand that "it's just a bunch of cheap cameras keeping your car in the lane" - the public perception clearly doesn't see it that way. People cut naps behind the wheel of teslas far often than they do behind the wheels of Volvos of Peugeots, despite both of them sporting very advanced adaptive cruise systems. And we can say ok, but these people are dumb - sure, they definitely are, but I think pretending like Tesla's marketing isn't playing at least some part of it is just dishonest.
    - 1y ago