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Except that obviously the difference is that plane pilots are rigourously tested, certified, and they have their every action including their voice recorded whi

Except that obviously the difference is that plane pilots are rigourously tested, certified, and they have their every action including their voice recorded while they operate the plane, and they are held accountable with legally required self reporting for any mistakes no matter how innocent. There is no such scrutiny with car drivers, in fact in some places in the world you can operate a car with zero formal training and a short form test that tests bare fundamentals and nothing else - to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. But sure, Tesla's autopilot is the same as a plane autopilot in all the other respects.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
>to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. This is irrelevant to the branding. Just as autopilot in a plane assists pilots in ideal conditions, Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature, but merely assisted driving. Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end, so there should be no confusion due to the name that Autopilot in a Tesla will drive end to end.
- trehalose 1y ago
  > Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end Is the public broadly aware of that? There's a colloquial phrase in American English, "to be on autopilot", meaning when a person acts without awareness of what they're doing, often used when somebody makes a stupid mistake during a lapse of attention.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    >Is the public broadly aware of that? I don’t see why not. I didn’t go to pilot school or have any plane related interests, but from movies and tv shows and the fact that there are 2 or more pilots on every plane, it would be prudent to assume there are limitations. The colloquialism of a person being on autopilot and making mistakes seems apt here, too. You use the Autopilot function in the car, and you don’t pay attention, then you will get in trouble.
- gambiting 1y ago
  >>As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. >>Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    >And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant to Tesla informing drivers of the limitations, which the car clearly does. >That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature. Doesn’t seem like you have used a Tesla. There is no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point. Tesla locks you out of you Autopilot look away too much, and they make it clear how it is gimped in case you want to spend $200 per month for their “Full” Self Driving feature. Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes.
    - gambiting 1y ago
      >>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. >>Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. >>Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes. Uhm....good? That's great in fact?

lotsofpulp 1y ago

>to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. This is irrelevant to the branding. Just as autopilot in a plane assists pilots in ideal conditions, Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature, but merely assisted driving. Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end, so there should be no confusion due to the name that Autopilot in a Tesla will drive end to end.

trehalose 1y ago
> Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end Is the public broadly aware of that? There's a colloquial phrase in American English, "to be on autopilot", meaning when a person acts without awareness of what they're doing, often used when somebody makes a stupid mistake during a lapse of attention.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  >Is the public broadly aware of that? I don’t see why not. I didn’t go to pilot school or have any plane related interests, but from movies and tv shows and the fact that there are 2 or more pilots on every plane, it would be prudent to assume there are limitations. The colloquialism of a person being on autopilot and making mistakes seems apt here, too. You use the Autopilot function in the car, and you don’t pay attention, then you will get in trouble.
gambiting 1y ago
>>As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. >>Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  >And as many, many, many videos of pornhub attest, you can do plenty of other activities for a long time without autopilot giving a crap. Maybe that's the drivers messing with the sensors somehow, but it's obviously possible. Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant to Tesla informing drivers of the limitations, which the car clearly does. >That sounds like an absolute cop out if you don't mind me saying so. It's not how the feature is perceived, and again it goes back to what I said earlier - drivers should have to receive actual, real sit-down-with-a-book training to use this feature. Doesn’t seem like you have used a Tesla. There is no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point. Tesla locks you out of you Autopilot look away too much, and they make it clear how it is gimped in case you want to spend $200 per month for their “Full” Self Driving feature. Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes.
  - gambiting 1y ago
    >>no way a reasonable person can perceive Autopilot as a feature where the car drives itself point to point And I hope no one does. But I'm sure we both agree that any reasonable person should be able to expect a Tesla to drive itself on a straight road without driving into a truck stopped sideways on said road. Or not be confused in really weird and unusual situations like driving against the sun on a bright summer day. >>Drivers messing with sensors is irrelevant Which again, I have no proof was done in those cases, but it's certainly a trend on social media and on other kinds of websites to show all the activities that you can do while the car is "clearly" driving itself. And even outside of things clearly done for attention, there isn't a lack of reports of people being arrested for reading, watching films, playing games and yes, being fully asleep in Teslas behind the wheel. We're not talking about influencers farming likes, we're talking normal people. >>Also, plenty of other companies offer the same feature under a different name like lane assist and enhanced cruise control, and they don’t even monitor the driver’s eyes. Uhm....good? That's great in fact?