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Autopilot in planes also doesn’t actually pilot the plane gate to gate. That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot, as Autopilot in a

Autopilot in planes also doesn’t actually pilot the plane gate to gate. That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot, as Autopilot in a Tesla merely follows the lane markings and keeps distance from the car in front.

cosmicgadget 1y ago
Care to list the major functions of autopilot in airplanes and the Tesla equivalent?
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  I have no expertise in piloting or the details of autopilot in a plane, except that it does not fly the plane gate to gate, however it does assist the pilot in mundane tasks, such as cruising at altitude and following a path. Maybe modern ones land/take off, I don’t know, but a pilot is still required for many crucial tasks as far as I know. Which is what the Autopilot function does in a Tesla, so I find it to not be a misleading name.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    > I only have a vague idea of what autopilot does but I can confidently say that Tesla autopilot is the same.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      That is not what I wrote, but feel free to interpret it that way if it makes you feel better. > Having an "Autopilot" mode people get killed by because it doesn't actually drive the car should've been plenty. Just like you need a pilot paying attention even when a plane is using autopilot, you need a driver paying attention when a Tesla is on Autopilot. Where is the incongruence?
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        > That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot [continues with talk of specific mechanics and nothing about monitoring] ... > I have no expertise in piloting or the details of autopilot You're changing your story from "they have the same functionality" to "they're both the same because they aren't fully autonomous". > feel free to interpret it that way if it makes you feel better. Have a good night.
        lotsofpulp 1y ago
        I never wrote “they have the same functionality”, so why are you claiming I did and putting it in quotes? I wrote: > That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot,
gambiting 1y ago
Except that obviously the difference is that plane pilots are rigourously tested, certified, and they have their every action including their voice recorded while they operate the plane, and they are held accountable with legally required self reporting for any mistakes no matter how innocent. There is no such scrutiny with car drivers, in fact in some places in the world you can operate a car with zero formal training and a short form test that tests bare fundamentals and nothing else - to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. But sure, Tesla's autopilot is the same as a plane autopilot in all the other respects.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  >to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. This is irrelevant to the branding. Just as autopilot in a plane assists pilots in ideal conditions, Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature, but merely assisted driving. Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end, so there should be no confusion due to the name that Autopilot in a Tesla will drive end to end.
  - trehalose 1y ago
    > Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end Is the public broadly aware of that? There's a colloquial phrase in American English, "to be on autopilot", meaning when a person acts without awareness of what they're doing, often used when somebody makes a stupid mistake during a lapse of attention.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      >Is the public broadly aware of that? I don’t see why not. I didn’t go to pilot school or have any plane related interests, but from movies and tv shows and the fact that there are 2 or more pilots on every plane, it would be prudent to assume there are limitations. The colloquialism of a person being on autopilot and making mistakes seems apt here, too. You use the Autopilot function in the car, and you don’t pay attention, then you will get in trouble.

cosmicgadget 1y ago

Care to list the major functions of autopilot in airplanes and the Tesla equivalent?

lotsofpulp 1y ago
I have no expertise in piloting or the details of autopilot in a plane, except that it does not fly the plane gate to gate, however it does assist the pilot in mundane tasks, such as cruising at altitude and following a path. Maybe modern ones land/take off, I don’t know, but a pilot is still required for many crucial tasks as far as I know. Which is what the Autopilot function does in a Tesla, so I find it to not be a misleading name.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  > I only have a vague idea of what autopilot does but I can confidently say that Tesla autopilot is the same.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    That is not what I wrote, but feel free to interpret it that way if it makes you feel better. > Having an "Autopilot" mode people get killed by because it doesn't actually drive the car should've been plenty. Just like you need a pilot paying attention even when a plane is using autopilot, you need a driver paying attention when a Tesla is on Autopilot. Where is the incongruence?
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      > That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot [continues with talk of specific mechanics and nothing about monitoring] ... > I have no expertise in piloting or the details of autopilot You're changing your story from "they have the same functionality" to "they're both the same because they aren't fully autonomous". > feel free to interpret it that way if it makes you feel better. Have a good night.
      - lotsofpulp 1y ago
        I never wrote “they have the same functionality”, so why are you claiming I did and putting it in quotes? I wrote: > That name actually seems consistent with the plane use of autopilot,

gambiting 1y ago

Except that obviously the difference is that plane pilots are rigourously tested, certified, and they have their every action including their voice recorded while they operate the plane, and they are held accountable with legally required self reporting for any mistakes no matter how innocent. There is no such scrutiny with car drivers, in fact in some places in the world you can operate a car with zero formal training and a short form test that tests bare fundamentals and nothing else - to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. But sure, Tesla's autopilot is the same as a plane autopilot in all the other respects.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
>to expect such a driver to take the same level of care and attention as a commercial pilot when operating a Tesla in autopilot mode is....wishful thinking at best. This is irrelevant to the branding. Just as autopilot in a plane assists pilots in ideal conditions, Autopilot mode in a Tesla assists drivers in ideal conditions. As an aside, Autopilot mode in Tesla monitors the driver’s eyes to ensure they are looking at the road, and quite a few steps are taken to ensure drivers know that it is not a self driving feature, but merely assisted driving. Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end, so there should be no confusion due to the name that Autopilot in a Tesla will drive end to end.
- trehalose 1y ago
  > Again, the broader point being that autopilot is not known to fly planes end to end Is the public broadly aware of that? There's a colloquial phrase in American English, "to be on autopilot", meaning when a person acts without awareness of what they're doing, often used when somebody makes a stupid mistake during a lapse of attention.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    >Is the public broadly aware of that? I don’t see why not. I didn’t go to pilot school or have any plane related interests, but from movies and tv shows and the fact that there are 2 or more pilots on every plane, it would be prudent to assume there are limitations. The colloquialism of a person being on autopilot and making mistakes seems apt here, too. You use the Autopilot function in the car, and you don’t pay attention, then you will get in trouble.