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Either it's overhyped marketing, or Tesla has automated aggressive A-hole driving. I don't like either option.

by Centigonal 1y ago

vichle 1y ago
In Sweden, Tesla is the new BMW. It attracts aggressive A-hole drivers, so no need to automate it.
- paradox460 1y ago
  Soon enough Tesla will be omitting turn signals to save on manufacturing costs
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Can you ship some over here? Seems like if I want to get through a light before it turns red I find myself betting on the lane with the work van or heavy truck in stack rather than the one with the Tesla somewhere in the mix. In any sane world it'd be the opposite.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  I think torque is what attracts (or provokes) aggressive drivers.
ajross 1y ago
Good grief. Can't it just be whimsy? Must everything be a conspiracy these days? They have a tunable threshold for when the car will attempt a lane change. Set it too high and it makes too many and annoys the occupants. Set it too low and it fails to choose the right lane and spends more time in traffic. That's all it is. They just named the low threshold case after a fun driving movie because joke. Is that really so hard to believe?
- Centigonal 1y ago
  "Frunk" and the Telo's "monster tunnel" are whimsy. Playing DOOM on a parked Tesla is whimsy. Shipping a feature that implies the car will drive unsafely or illegally in an automated fashion -- from an automaker that has a history (see below) of shipping similar driver assist features with unsafe behavior and misleading or overly bombastic marketing -- that is irresponsibility, not whimsy. If it weren't directly governing driving behavior or if it didn't come from a company that keeps doing this, then maybe I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cars-traffic-laws-drive-human-rcna20028 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cars-traffic-la... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-violations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-t... https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-risky-deaths-crashes-nhtsa-investigation/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-risky-deaths-cra... https://futurism.com/tesla-change-name-full-self-driving-china https://futurism.com/tesla-change-name-full-self-driving-chi... https://www.jalopnik.com/1878905/ncap-downgrades-tesla-safety-score-misleading-autopilot/ https://www.jalopnik.com/1878905/ncap-downgrades-tesla-safet... https://www.theverge.com/news/692639/tesla-robotaxi-mistake-wrong-lane-phantom-braking https://www.theverge.com/news/692639/tesla-robotaxi-mistake-...
  - ajross 1y ago
    Please don't Gish-Gallop on HN. None of those links are about AP tuning or "Mad Max" mode.
    - Centigonal 1y ago
      > from an automaker that has a history (see below) of shipping similar driver assist features Must Tesla's actions be judged in a vacuum devoid of past context?
magnetowasright 1y ago
It's both. It's not the first time. Tesla recalled 50,000 cars because they programmed them to illegally roll through stop signs at up to 5.6mph/9kph [0] [0] https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-rolling-stop-functionality https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-rolling-stop-functional...

Either it's overhyped marketing, or Tesla has automated aggressive A-hole driving. I don't like either option.

vichle 1y ago

In Sweden, Tesla is the new BMW. It attracts aggressive A-hole drivers, so no need to automate it.

paradox460 1y ago
Soon enough Tesla will be omitting turn signals to save on manufacturing costs
potato3732842 1y ago
Can you ship some over here? Seems like if I want to get through a light before it turns red I find myself betting on the lane with the work van or heavy truck in stack rather than the one with the Tesla somewhere in the mix. In any sane world it'd be the opposite.
dzhiurgis 1y ago
I think torque is what attracts (or provokes) aggressive drivers.

ajross 1y ago

Good grief. Can't it just be whimsy? Must everything be a conspiracy these days? They have a tunable threshold for when the car will attempt a lane change. Set it too high and it makes too many and annoys the occupants. Set it too low and it fails to choose the right lane and spends more time in traffic. That's all it is. They just named the low threshold case after a fun driving movie because joke. Is that really so hard to believe?

Centigonal 1y ago
"Frunk" and the Telo's "monster tunnel" are whimsy. Playing DOOM on a parked Tesla is whimsy. Shipping a feature that implies the car will drive unsafely or illegally in an automated fashion -- from an automaker that has a history (see below) of shipping similar driver assist features with unsafe behavior and misleading or overly bombastic marketing -- that is irresponsibility, not whimsy. If it weren't directly governing driving behavior or if it didn't come from a company that keeps doing this, then maybe I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cars-traffic-laws-drive-human-rcna20028 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cars-traffic-la... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-violations/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-t... https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-risky-deaths-crashes-nhtsa-investigation/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-risky-deaths-cra... https://futurism.com/tesla-change-name-full-self-driving-china https://futurism.com/tesla-change-name-full-self-driving-chi... https://www.jalopnik.com/1878905/ncap-downgrades-tesla-safety-score-misleading-autopilot/ https://www.jalopnik.com/1878905/ncap-downgrades-tesla-safet... https://www.theverge.com/news/692639/tesla-robotaxi-mistake-wrong-lane-phantom-braking https://www.theverge.com/news/692639/tesla-robotaxi-mistake-...
- ajross 1y ago
  Please don't Gish-Gallop on HN. None of those links are about AP tuning or "Mad Max" mode.
  - Centigonal 1y ago
    > from an automaker that has a history (see below) of shipping similar driver assist features Must Tesla's actions be judged in a vacuum devoid of past context?

magnetowasright 1y ago

It's both. It's not the first time. Tesla recalled 50,000 cars because they programmed them to illegally roll through stop signs at up to 5.6mph/9kph [0] [0] https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-rolling-stop-functionality https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-rolling-stop-functional...