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I heard that both sides of the ongoing civil war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_c

by lysace 1y ago

I heard that both sides of the ongoing civil war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%...) work with these criminal organizations to secure foreign revenue for weapons purchases - but that it is primarily a junta-driven thing. And that the people running them come from PRC Chinese organized crime (triads).

programmertote 1y ago
Wish I could give your comment 10 more upvotes for visibility. This is Myanmar military trying to do field work for China. China is the one who allowed these militias to thrive in the border areas and they have been arming them for decades. This particular operation happens in Myawaddy, which is in lower eastern part of Myanmar close to Thailand, but not in northeastern Myanmar closer to China, because Myanmar military dare only touch the militia there. It helps that the accused collaborators of these scam centers in the lower east part of Myanmar are Kayin ethnic militia, who--unlike Wa or Kokang--aren't as Chinese, and thus, China doesn't care. Also, China is now 100% backing the military regime (which staged a coup around 2021) in Myanmar, so this is like shooting two birds with one stone (i.e., get rid of scam centers for China, while helping Myanmar's brutal military to remove an income source of one of the non-ethnically Chinese militia). The military dares not assault the northeastern militias like Wa [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army ], Kokang militia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_National_Democratic_Alliance_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_National_Democratic_Al... ] because these guys are truly backed (and enabled) by China. There was a raid by Myanmar military in northeastern part (close to China) about a year ago [ https://www.rfa.org/english/myanmar/2024/11/20/shan-state-wa-online-scammers-china/ https://www.rfa.org/english/myanmar/2024/11/20/shan-state-wa... ] and that was backed by China. Otherwise, Myanmar military dares not do that. Basically, China is getting what it sowed and now that its citizens are being impacted, it's asking its lapdog, Burmese military, to do the clean-up for them selectively.
- maxglute 1y ago
  > now that its citizens are being impacted PRC citizens were always impacted, these scam centers literally started (by twnese org crime) to target mainland retirees. PRC would love for Junta to dismantle Kokang / northern scam centers but Junta couldn't because domestic factional power issues vs Northern states. The TLDR is scam centers are protected by pro Junta Kokang faction (BGF), so PRC got tired of Junta waffling and decided to support anti Junta three brotherhood alliance (aka rebels) who went HAM on the scam centers while PRC did military exercises to tell juntas to fuck off and understand PRC willing to patronize other internal players if junta doesn't play ball. Last year's 1027 operation only happened because PRC lost patience with Juntas and now Juntas more keen to help PRC deal vs scam centers (well at least performatively since they still need it for funding) because they know if they did nothing PRC will shop around and empower other players during civil war.
maxglute 1y ago
>PRC Chinese organized crime (triads) Well it's a sinosphere (insert one china joke) organized crime thing. TLDR Taiwanese organized pioneered telco fraud 20 years ago, started third country scam call centers, primarily targetting tech illiterate PRC retirees. PRC/HK org crime saw how profitable, scaled up, ande more sophisticated (pig butcher + crypto to evade capital controls), targetted global Chinese diasphora. PRC cracks down domestically. They move to Myanmar / south eat asia, partner with local armed groups. Taiwanese call centers still around, but they're squeezed to other part of big butcher scacm chain, i.e. trafficking people. Anyway, every once in awhile their activities piss enough neighbours off especially PRC off that actual state power like junta has to intervenene.
- lysace 1y ago
  Of course 90% of your previous comments are explicitly related to the PRC. Apologies for only reviewing 100 of them.
  - maxglute 1y ago
    I use different accounts for different subjects, well I use siloed account for PRC geopolitics, precisely because people challenged on PRC literacy likes to dig through accounts and be wierd about it.
    - lysace 1y ago
      > people challenged on PRC literacy I believe you have a much more literal term for that.

by lysace 1y ago

programmertote 1y ago

Wish I could give your comment 10 more upvotes for visibility. This is Myanmar military trying to do field work for China. China is the one who allowed these militias to thrive in the border areas and they have been arming them for decades. This particular operation happens in Myawaddy, which is in lower eastern part of Myanmar close to Thailand, but not in northeastern Myanmar closer to China, because Myanmar military dare only touch the militia there. It helps that the accused collaborators of these scam centers in the lower east part of Myanmar are Kayin ethnic militia, who--unlike Wa or Kokang--aren't as Chinese, and thus, China doesn't care. Also, China is now 100% backing the military regime (which staged a coup around 2021) in Myanmar, so this is like shooting two birds with one stone (i.e., get rid of scam centers for China, while helping Myanmar's brutal military to remove an income source of one of the non-ethnically Chinese militia). The military dares not assault the northeastern militias like Wa [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Wa_State_Army ], Kokang militia [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_National_Democratic_Alliance_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_National_Democratic_Al... ] because these guys are truly backed (and enabled) by China. There was a raid by Myanmar military in northeastern part (close to China) about a year ago [ https://www.rfa.org/english/myanmar/2024/11/20/shan-state-wa-online-scammers-china/ https://www.rfa.org/english/myanmar/2024/11/20/shan-state-wa... ] and that was backed by China. Otherwise, Myanmar military dares not do that. Basically, China is getting what it sowed and now that its citizens are being impacted, it's asking its lapdog, Burmese military, to do the clean-up for them selectively.

maxglute 1y ago
> now that its citizens are being impacted PRC citizens were always impacted, these scam centers literally started (by twnese org crime) to target mainland retirees. PRC would love for Junta to dismantle Kokang / northern scam centers but Junta couldn't because domestic factional power issues vs Northern states. The TLDR is scam centers are protected by pro Junta Kokang faction (BGF), so PRC got tired of Junta waffling and decided to support anti Junta three brotherhood alliance (aka rebels) who went HAM on the scam centers while PRC did military exercises to tell juntas to fuck off and understand PRC willing to patronize other internal players if junta doesn't play ball. Last year's 1027 operation only happened because PRC lost patience with Juntas and now Juntas more keen to help PRC deal vs scam centers (well at least performatively since they still need it for funding) because they know if they did nothing PRC will shop around and empower other players during civil war.

maxglute 1y ago

>PRC Chinese organized crime (triads) Well it's a sinosphere (insert one china joke) organized crime thing. TLDR Taiwanese organized pioneered telco fraud 20 years ago, started third country scam call centers, primarily targetting tech illiterate PRC retirees. PRC/HK org crime saw how profitable, scaled up, ande more sophisticated (pig butcher + crypto to evade capital controls), targetted global Chinese diasphora. PRC cracks down domestically. They move to Myanmar / south eat asia, partner with local armed groups. Taiwanese call centers still around, but they're squeezed to other part of big butcher scacm chain, i.e. trafficking people. Anyway, every once in awhile their activities piss enough neighbours off especially PRC off that actual state power like junta has to intervenene.

lysace 1y ago
Of course 90% of your previous comments are explicitly related to the PRC. Apologies for only reviewing 100 of them.
- maxglute 1y ago
  I use different accounts for different subjects, well I use siloed account for PRC geopolitics, precisely because people challenged on PRC literacy likes to dig through accounts and be wierd about it.
  - lysace 1y ago
    > people challenged on PRC literacy I believe you have a much more literal term for that.