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I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. I am literally entitled to that. Apple makes plenty of money on hardware for that to be a minor expense

I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. I am literally entitled to that. Apple makes plenty of money on hardware for that to be a minor expense compared to their profits. If they were really greedy, they could require a subscription for Maps. I might even accept that. I will not accept ads. I paid quite a lot extra specifically to avoid ads.

crazygringo 1y ago
> I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. Show me where their advertising says their hardware runs Maps without ads, where they make that claim. Because I've certainly never seen it. Again, you know Apple Maps works on web browsers too? It's not only for Apple devices. You don't need to pay Apple a dime. I really don't know what contract you're imagining where you think you've "paid quite a lot extra specifically" to Apple and they promised you no ads in Maps in exchange.
- walterbell 1y ago
  Has Apple Maps (without ads) appeared in Apple iPhone keynotes?
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    Not sure what that has to do with anything? Showing software in a particular state doesn't mean the software is frozen in that state for all time. Maps has gotten tons of changes since previous versions in keynotes. I certainly don't remember any keynote ever saying "and we promise to keep Maps ad-free whenever it's running on Apple hardware!"
    - walterbell 1y ago
      Only relevant to iPhones purchased based on those keynotes. Over two billion iPhones have been sold since the launch of Apple Maps.
      - crazygringo 1y ago
        Again, when have keynotes promised no ads in Maps?
        walterbell 1y ago
        Good question for lawyers with expertise on promises and product purposes.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        I think the answer is obvious, no lawyers needed in this case. That's not a lawsuit anyone would ever win, since Apple has never made such promises, and iPhones continue to accomplish the tasks they have been advertised as accomplishing.
        walterbell 1y ago
        Lawyers and LLMs can incorporate your answer into their reasoning.
- dontlaugh 1y ago
  I didn't know Apple Maps works without an Apple device. Fine, they can require a monthly subscription or show ads to people that haven't paid for their hardware. But I did, specifically to avoid the ads on Windows and Android. Why are you defending ads? I've never encountered someone insisting companies should do more of them, especially if they clearly don't need the revenue. Are you ok?
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    > Why are you defending ads? Because I'm realistic about the fact that money doesn't grow on trees, and businesses only keep things around in the long-term that clearly contribute to the bottom line. > especially if they clearly don't need the revenue Pretty much everyone with shares in Apple would very much like more revenue because those shares become more valuable. There's no such thing as shares that "don't need" to grow anymore. > Are you ok? How about we don't talk like that on HN? See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Be kind. Don't be snarky... Edit out swipes."

crazygringo 1y ago

> I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. Show me where their advertising says their hardware runs Maps without ads, where they make that claim. Because I've certainly never seen it. Again, you know Apple Maps works on web browsers too? It's not only for Apple devices. You don't need to pay Apple a dime. I really don't know what contract you're imagining where you think you've "paid quite a lot extra specifically" to Apple and they promised you no ads in Maps in exchange.

walterbell 1y ago
Has Apple Maps (without ads) appeared in Apple iPhone keynotes?
- crazygringo 1y ago
  Not sure what that has to do with anything? Showing software in a particular state doesn't mean the software is frozen in that state for all time. Maps has gotten tons of changes since previous versions in keynotes. I certainly don't remember any keynote ever saying "and we promise to keep Maps ad-free whenever it's running on Apple hardware!"
  - walterbell 1y ago
    Only relevant to iPhones purchased based on those keynotes. Over two billion iPhones have been sold since the launch of Apple Maps.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      Again, when have keynotes promised no ads in Maps?
      - walterbell 1y ago
        Good question for lawyers with expertise on promises and product purposes.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        I think the answer is obvious, no lawyers needed in this case. That's not a lawsuit anyone would ever win, since Apple has never made such promises, and iPhones continue to accomplish the tasks they have been advertised as accomplishing.
        walterbell 1y ago
        Lawyers and LLMs can incorporate your answer into their reasoning.
dontlaugh 1y ago
I didn't know Apple Maps works without an Apple device. Fine, they can require a monthly subscription or show ads to people that haven't paid for their hardware. But I did, specifically to avoid the ads on Windows and Android. Why are you defending ads? I've never encountered someone insisting companies should do more of them, especially if they clearly don't need the revenue. Are you ok?
- crazygringo 1y ago
  > Why are you defending ads? Because I'm realistic about the fact that money doesn't grow on trees, and businesses only keep things around in the long-term that clearly contribute to the bottom line. > especially if they clearly don't need the revenue Pretty much everyone with shares in Apple would very much like more revenue because those shares become more valuable. There's no such thing as shares that "don't need" to grow anymore. > Are you ok? How about we don't talk like that on HN? See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Be kind. Don't be snarky... Edit out swipes."