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So what? Maps needs more, so it gets more of the software budget. It all comes out of the truly ridiculous hardware revenue. It’s not even a little reasonable

So what? Maps needs more, so it gets more of the software budget. It all comes out of the truly ridiculous hardware revenue. It’s not even a little reasonable for them to have ads. Especially since I also pay them a monthly fee for services.

crazygringo 1y ago
It strikes me as more unreasonable for you to demand that companies to give you things for free. Honestly, it strikes me as some kind of feeling of entitlement, and I don't know what you think justifies that. And if you're paying them a monthly subscription for iCloud storage or Apple TV or something, I don't see what that has to do with a Maps. You don't get Apple TV for free if you pay for iCloud either. Different services are different services. Do you think restaurants should just always give you a free appetizer every time you walk in because sometimes you order entrees there?
- dontlaugh 1y ago
  I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. I am literally entitled to that. Apple makes plenty of money on hardware for that to be a minor expense compared to their profits. If they were really greedy, they could require a subscription for Maps. I might even accept that. I will not accept ads. I paid quite a lot extra specifically to avoid ads.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    > I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. Show me where their advertising says their hardware runs Maps without ads, where they make that claim. Because I've certainly never seen it. Again, you know Apple Maps works on web browsers too? It's not only for Apple devices. You don't need to pay Apple a dime. I really don't know what contract you're imagining where you think you've "paid quite a lot extra specifically" to Apple and they promised you no ads in Maps in exchange.
    - walterbell 1y ago
      Has Apple Maps (without ads) appeared in Apple iPhone keynotes?
      - crazygringo 1y ago
        Not sure what that has to do with anything? Showing software in a particular state doesn't mean the software is frozen in that state for all time. Maps has gotten tons of changes since previous versions in keynotes. I certainly don't remember any keynote ever saying "and we promise to keep Maps ad-free whenever it's running on Apple hardware!"
        walterbell 1y ago
        Only relevant to iPhones purchased based on those keynotes. Over two billion iPhones have been sold since the launch of Apple Maps.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        Again, when have keynotes promised no ads in Maps?
        walterbell 1y ago
        Good question for lawyers with expertise on promises and product purposes.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        I think the answer is obvious, no lawyers needed in this case. That's not a lawsuit anyone would ever win, since Apple has never made such promises, and iPhones continue to accomplish the tasks they have been advertised as accomplishing.
        1y ago

crazygringo 1y ago

It strikes me as more unreasonable for you to demand that companies to give you things for free. Honestly, it strikes me as some kind of feeling of entitlement, and I don't know what you think justifies that. And if you're paying them a monthly subscription for iCloud storage or Apple TV or something, I don't see what that has to do with a Maps. You don't get Apple TV for free if you pay for iCloud either. Different services are different services. Do you think restaurants should just always give you a free appetizer every time you walk in because sometimes you order entrees there?

dontlaugh 1y ago
I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. I am literally entitled to that. Apple makes plenty of money on hardware for that to be a minor expense compared to their profits. If they were really greedy, they could require a subscription for Maps. I might even accept that. I will not accept ads. I paid quite a lot extra specifically to avoid ads.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  > I paid for hardware advertised to run Maps without ads. Show me where their advertising says their hardware runs Maps without ads, where they make that claim. Because I've certainly never seen it. Again, you know Apple Maps works on web browsers too? It's not only for Apple devices. You don't need to pay Apple a dime. I really don't know what contract you're imagining where you think you've "paid quite a lot extra specifically" to Apple and they promised you no ads in Maps in exchange.
  - walterbell 1y ago
    Has Apple Maps (without ads) appeared in Apple iPhone keynotes?
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      Not sure what that has to do with anything? Showing software in a particular state doesn't mean the software is frozen in that state for all time. Maps has gotten tons of changes since previous versions in keynotes. I certainly don't remember any keynote ever saying "and we promise to keep Maps ad-free whenever it's running on Apple hardware!"
      - walterbell 1y ago
        Only relevant to iPhones purchased based on those keynotes. Over two billion iPhones have been sold since the launch of Apple Maps.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        Again, when have keynotes promised no ads in Maps?
        walterbell 1y ago
        Good question for lawyers with expertise on promises and product purposes.
        crazygringo 1y ago
        I think the answer is obvious, no lawyers needed in this case. That's not a lawsuit anyone would ever win, since Apple has never made such promises, and iPhones continue to accomplish the tasks they have been advertised as accomplishing.
        1y ago