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But I am not doing surgery. I am expressing skepticism at the "oh no it's all fine" from literally everyone reporting on this story

not_kurt_godel 1y ago
Yep you know better than the people who have the credentials you don't and the access to internal data you don't. I don't see what's holding you back from doing surgery, qualifications and context are no barrier to the application of your self-imagined expertise.
- arthurcolle 1y ago
  I don't claim to know better. But restarting a $1.5B plant after 2 years of inactivity and having a worker fall into a vat of radioactive water and still being at 300 CPM after a decontamination procedure is not normal.
  - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
    That'd be a very interesting statement if you were qualified to make it
    - arthurcolle 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        I care enough that I would trust assessment of their health and condition only to qualified professionals with access to the relevant information, just like anyone else that I care about
        dataangel 1y ago
        Do the people who have control of the information have an incentive to lie?
        not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        Do people on the Internet have an incentive to baselessly speculate in order to indulge their own Dunning-Krugerized delusions of grandeur?
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - lijok 1y ago
      What makes one qualified to make a statement? Are you qualified to make the statement I'm replying to?
      - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        In technical fields: Accredited formal education, professional certification(s), and/or recognition from other experts in the field who have the same.
        lijok 1y ago
        How do I know you're qualified to make that statement?
        not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        If I'm not, then we're not grounded in the same consensus-driven objective reality, making this conversation meaningless, and therefore not worth your time to reply further.
  - pseudalopex 1y ago
    Phrases such as massive red flag and bureaucratic nonsense were claims you knew better. Who claimed the event was normal? A worker falling in non contaminated water would not be normal. Many things are bot normal and not emergencies. False dichotomy and straw man are logical fallacies. Were the plant cost and status meant to support your claim 300 counts per minute was a red flag? They appeared irrelevant.
  - danaris 1y ago
    > I don't claim to know better. You very much do, if you're calling into question the statements in the article that it's fine.
SkyPuncher 1y ago
You're being unnecessarily attacked for what is largely a casual forum where people make casual comments and speculation all of the time. Further, your reasoning is biased towards safety (rather than risk), which seems completely sane.
- tomcam 1y ago
  Agreed. These violent reactions aren’t unusual for HN but they are unnecessary and acutely disappointing.
  - pseudalopex 1y ago
    Skepticism and sarcasm are not violence.
    - K0balt 1y ago
      Off topic, but the idea that the “violence” of ideas, where the only thing in play is your point of view, is somehow equatable to physical violence, where physical integrity is at risk, is one of the least endearing features of the 21st century so far. I cannot overstate how dangerous to human prosperity this false equivalence is. It is a first-tier ideological scourge that we entertain at great peril both to critical thought and the notion of objective truth itself. On the other hand, it’s an excellent proxy to clarify that an idea, position, or sometimes even an entire ideology or its sycophant exist for entertainment purposes only and must not, on their own merits, be taken seriously. Are we really so isolated from the brutality of nature to think that the inconvenient beating of a butterfly’s wings is the same category of experience as being disemboweled and eaten alive by a hungry beast? Or is it that the whole ideological sham of the violence of ideas is merely a cowardice, a poverty of ingenuity, a plea for clemency by virtue of infantilism? The pen, or the thought given flight, is mightier than the sword. That does not make an idea a sword. It is in character , spirit, reach, and endurance a very different type of thing. A sword can be forged from an idea, but an idea will never spring forth from a blade. Hell in a hand basket, get off my lawn, and uphill both ways to school. Lol.

not_kurt_godel 1y ago

Yep you know better than the people who have the credentials you don't and the access to internal data you don't. I don't see what's holding you back from doing surgery, qualifications and context are no barrier to the application of your self-imagined expertise.

arthurcolle 1y ago
I don't claim to know better. But restarting a $1.5B plant after 2 years of inactivity and having a worker fall into a vat of radioactive water and still being at 300 CPM after a decontamination procedure is not normal.
- not_kurt_godel 1y ago
  That'd be a very interesting statement if you were qualified to make it
  - arthurcolle 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
      I care enough that I would trust assessment of their health and condition only to qualified professionals with access to the relevant information, just like anyone else that I care about
      - dataangel 1y ago
        Do the people who have control of the information have an incentive to lie?
        not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        Do people on the Internet have an incentive to baselessly speculate in order to indulge their own Dunning-Krugerized delusions of grandeur?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - lijok 1y ago
    What makes one qualified to make a statement? Are you qualified to make the statement I'm replying to?
    - not_kurt_godel 1y ago
      In technical fields: Accredited formal education, professional certification(s), and/or recognition from other experts in the field who have the same.
      - lijok 1y ago
        How do I know you're qualified to make that statement?
        not_kurt_godel 1y ago
        If I'm not, then we're not grounded in the same consensus-driven objective reality, making this conversation meaningless, and therefore not worth your time to reply further.
- pseudalopex 1y ago
  Phrases such as massive red flag and bureaucratic nonsense were claims you knew better. Who claimed the event was normal? A worker falling in non contaminated water would not be normal. Many things are bot normal and not emergencies. False dichotomy and straw man are logical fallacies. Were the plant cost and status meant to support your claim 300 counts per minute was a red flag? They appeared irrelevant.
- danaris 1y ago
  > I don't claim to know better. You very much do, if you're calling into question the statements in the article that it's fine.

SkyPuncher 1y ago

You're being unnecessarily attacked for what is largely a casual forum where people make casual comments and speculation all of the time. Further, your reasoning is biased towards safety (rather than risk), which seems completely sane.

tomcam 1y ago
Agreed. These violent reactions aren’t unusual for HN but they are unnecessary and acutely disappointing.
- pseudalopex 1y ago
  Skepticism and sarcasm are not violence.
  - K0balt 1y ago
    Off topic, but the idea that the “violence” of ideas, where the only thing in play is your point of view, is somehow equatable to physical violence, where physical integrity is at risk, is one of the least endearing features of the 21st century so far. I cannot overstate how dangerous to human prosperity this false equivalence is. It is a first-tier ideological scourge that we entertain at great peril both to critical thought and the notion of objective truth itself. On the other hand, it’s an excellent proxy to clarify that an idea, position, or sometimes even an entire ideology or its sycophant exist for entertainment purposes only and must not, on their own merits, be taken seriously. Are we really so isolated from the brutality of nature to think that the inconvenient beating of a butterfly’s wings is the same category of experience as being disemboweled and eaten alive by a hungry beast? Or is it that the whole ideological sham of the violence of ideas is merely a cowardice, a poverty of ingenuity, a plea for clemency by virtue of infantilism? The pen, or the thought given flight, is mightier than the sword. That does not make an idea a sword. It is in character , spirit, reach, and endurance a very different type of thing. A sword can be forged from an idea, but an idea will never spring forth from a blade. Hell in a hand basket, get off my lawn, and uphill both ways to school. Lol.