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> And how do you stop people from making fetish content of purely AI-generated characters that aren't cameos of real people? Does OpenAI want to stop that? Mayb

> And how do you stop people from making fetish content of purely AI-generated characters that aren't cameos of real people? Does OpenAI want to stop that? Maybe OpenAI thinks it's fine for people to make belly-flation or foot-fetish videos as long as they're not of a real person. I can't figure out the tone here. Is the author suggesting we should stop people from creating fetish content of purely AI-generated characters? OpenAI might want to for business reasons, but surely there's nothing inherently wrong with using AI for fetish content. Should we also stop people from drawing fetish content with pencil and paper?

fwip 1y ago
I don't think she's passing any judgment here - she pointed out earlier in the article that she knows people are into weird stuff, and didn't want to "yuck their yum."
- Jackson__ 1y ago
  I don't think one gets to call these people 'pervert' in the title, then claim that you don't 'yuck their yum'. They yucked their yum before the article even started.
  - regularfry 1y ago
    Titles frequently aren't in the control of the article writer. Don't know if that's the case here or not.
ivape 1y ago
The problem is adults contribute to turning public platforms lewd. So one lewd person on Instagram leads to many, leading to a lewd platform. This becomes problematic when the children uptake it. It’s not really too different than prostitution appearing near general-purpose places, it turns it into a red light district. A lot of social media is a sex platform, and it got mixed up in this way because there’s no talking adults out of being lewd in public.
- frumplestlatz 1y ago
  I wish we could talk adults out of it, but many decades on this earth have convinced me that’s just not going to happen.
  - mmooss 1y ago
    It's not easy or sure, but behaviors do change, dramatically sometimes. Youngish people have significantly less sex than before. People smoke a lot less in some countries, as one simple example. Social media is still immature. We'll develop norms around what is appropriate.
- tremon 1y ago
  Present-day adults have been raised in a society where overt sexualization has been the norm for decades. I see normalization of lewdness as a logical consequence of 60 years of sexualization in media, and the growing resistance against it as the normal swinging of the pendulum.
smcin 1y ago
A good-faith reading of the sort of suggestion the author never made is for the blanket opt-in consent to allow other users generate images/videos of you to be segmented into separate consents for PG, adult, fetish etc.; also face/whole body. A very clear consent form that tells them upfront "If you consent to users generating fetish consent of you, here are some examples of what's allowed and forbidden". > Is the author suggesting we should stop people from creating fetish content of purely AI-generated characters? Presumably not, but she's farming outrage rather than suggesting any fix. In the above suggested setup, people could then generate fetish consent from the much smaller set of users who consented to have fetish consent generated from them. But then of course they might expect some royalties or revenue-sharing, or at least identification/attribution/watermarking so the depicted user could drive traffic to social-media. OpenAI is skirting around not just segmented consent but any concept of revenue-sharing (i.e. OpenAI wants to dip its toe into OnlyFans territory, but without any revenue-sharing or licensing deal with creators).
- aleph_minus_one 1y ago
  > OpenAI is skirting around not just segmented consent but any concept of revenue-sharing (i.e. OpenAI wants to dip its toe into OnlyFans territory, but without any revenue-sharing or licensing deal with creators). OpenAI is still doing basic experiments with which product offering are well received by users and/or work well and which are not. If some data provided by users (e.g. photos depicting the user) are seen to be very essential to the success of the AI-created content using this data so that OpenAI will likely loose an insane amount of money of these users leave (I think this is rather unlikely, but not impossible), then OpenAI will think about some concept of revenue-sharing, but not before (why should they?).
- mslt 1y ago
  Pointing out that something feels a little creepy, while explicitly stating that you don’t yuck other people’s yum is hardly “farming outrage.” We collectively need to have earnest conversations about how how emerging technologies affect our experiences, and her tone is pretty middle-of-the-road.
  - 1y ago
casey2 1y ago
Many girls believe that there is both inherent harm and external harm in the creation and consumption of sexual content. Arguing that AI content is inherently harmful is tricky, but can be replaced with yet more external harms.
- whitexn--g28h 1y ago
  Many religious extremists, gender unrelated.
TiredOfLife 1y ago
> but surely there's nothing inherently wrong with using AI for fetish content. It's taking work from Onlyfans, Artists who draw fetish content on commission (usually by copying other people art style), fanfic writers (who copy writing style, characters and setting of other people) and other organic and free range fetish content producers.
- marcellus23 1y ago
  I see that position, but also, almost everyone (99% of people?) generating fetish content with AI would not otherwise be paying artists to commission that content.

fwip 1y ago

I don't think she's passing any judgment here - she pointed out earlier in the article that she knows people are into weird stuff, and didn't want to "yuck their yum."

Jackson__ 1y ago
I don't think one gets to call these people 'pervert' in the title, then claim that you don't 'yuck their yum'. They yucked their yum before the article even started.
- regularfry 1y ago
  Titles frequently aren't in the control of the article writer. Don't know if that's the case here or not.

ivape 1y ago

The problem is adults contribute to turning public platforms lewd. So one lewd person on Instagram leads to many, leading to a lewd platform. This becomes problematic when the children uptake it. It’s not really too different than prostitution appearing near general-purpose places, it turns it into a red light district. A lot of social media is a sex platform, and it got mixed up in this way because there’s no talking adults out of being lewd in public.

frumplestlatz 1y ago
I wish we could talk adults out of it, but many decades on this earth have convinced me that’s just not going to happen.
- mmooss 1y ago
  It's not easy or sure, but behaviors do change, dramatically sometimes. Youngish people have significantly less sex than before. People smoke a lot less in some countries, as one simple example. Social media is still immature. We'll develop norms around what is appropriate.
tremon 1y ago
Present-day adults have been raised in a society where overt sexualization has been the norm for decades. I see normalization of lewdness as a logical consequence of 60 years of sexualization in media, and the growing resistance against it as the normal swinging of the pendulum.

smcin 1y ago

A good-faith reading of the sort of suggestion the author never made is for the blanket opt-in consent to allow other users generate images/videos of you to be segmented into separate consents for PG, adult, fetish etc.; also face/whole body. A very clear consent form that tells them upfront "If you consent to users generating fetish consent of you, here are some examples of what's allowed and forbidden". > Is the author suggesting we should stop people from creating fetish content of purely AI-generated characters? Presumably not, but she's farming outrage rather than suggesting any fix. In the above suggested setup, people could then generate fetish consent from the much smaller set of users who consented to have fetish consent generated from them. But then of course they might expect some royalties or revenue-sharing, or at least identification/attribution/watermarking so the depicted user could drive traffic to social-media. OpenAI is skirting around not just segmented consent but any concept of revenue-sharing (i.e. OpenAI wants to dip its toe into OnlyFans territory, but without any revenue-sharing or licensing deal with creators).

aleph_minus_one 1y ago
> OpenAI is skirting around not just segmented consent but any concept of revenue-sharing (i.e. OpenAI wants to dip its toe into OnlyFans territory, but without any revenue-sharing or licensing deal with creators). OpenAI is still doing basic experiments with which product offering are well received by users and/or work well and which are not. If some data provided by users (e.g. photos depicting the user) are seen to be very essential to the success of the AI-created content using this data so that OpenAI will likely loose an insane amount of money of these users leave (I think this is rather unlikely, but not impossible), then OpenAI will think about some concept of revenue-sharing, but not before (why should they?).
mslt 1y ago
Pointing out that something feels a little creepy, while explicitly stating that you don’t yuck other people’s yum is hardly “farming outrage.” We collectively need to have earnest conversations about how how emerging technologies affect our experiences, and her tone is pretty middle-of-the-road.
- 1y ago

casey2 1y ago

Many girls believe that there is both inherent harm and external harm in the creation and consumption of sexual content. Arguing that AI content is inherently harmful is tricky, but can be replaced with yet more external harms.

whitexn--g28h 1y ago
Many religious extremists, gender unrelated.

TiredOfLife 1y ago

> but surely there's nothing inherently wrong with using AI for fetish content. It's taking work from Onlyfans, Artists who draw fetish content on commission (usually by copying other people art style), fanfic writers (who copy writing style, characters and setting of other people) and other organic and free range fetish content producers.

marcellus23 1y ago
I see that position, but also, almost everyone (99% of people?) generating fetish content with AI would not otherwise be paying artists to commission that content.