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That information does not fit the narrative so it is left unsaid.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> That information does not fit the narrative so it is left unsaid This is a good opportunity to calibrate your sense of truth. The LA Times is owned by this South African-born immigrant [1]. (Himself the the son of "Chinese immigrant parents who fled China during the Japanese occupation.") He is, like Elon, pro-Trump (after, like Musk, supporting Democrats when they were in power) [2]. And he, like Elon, has censored his publication to reflect his views, including by opposing anti-Musk content [3]. If you're reading an article in the LA Times and, being upset it isn't mentioning Tesla, concluding it's part of an anti-Musk conspiracy, you're dead wrong. But you're probably also wrong about other adjacent hypotheses. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/la-times-owner-maneuvers-into-trumps-orbit-with-middle-east-meeting-00346991 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/la-times-owner-mane... [3] https://www.status.news/p/los-angeles-times-patrick-soon-shiong https://www.status.news/p/los-angeles-times-patrick-soon-shi...
- nandomrumber 1y ago
  It does mention another battery manufacturer, Spark. Where do they fit in to the narrative?
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Where do they fit in to the narrative? What narrative? If you're saying even a pro-Trump pro-Elon newspaper whose owner has a history of weighing in for Musk has a bias against him, you're saying Elon's massively lost not only standing but also sympathy across the aisle. If that's true, his companies are toast. That doesn't seem to be the case. So maybe revisit the hypothesis when the data reject it.
- roman_soldier 1y ago
  The LA Times famously a left leaning publication and its stories are written and edited by the employees who are likely to be anti Musk, Trump hating woke types. The owner is a business man and will let the editors write for the audience's biases.
Braxton1980 1y ago
How do you know that's the reason?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > How do you know that's the reason? Just noticed that their profile basically taunts that they're a troll [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    If openness equals trolling you're absolutely right but if that is the case it does raise the question whether the site name covers the site content.
    - Braxton1980 1y ago
      Making a claim without evidence is akin to trolling
      - hagbard_c 1y ago
        If observing a trend and finding behaviour which fits the trend is enough to base a hypothesis on [1] it is certainly enough to mention it here. That 'claim without evidence' is quite silly and can be disproven by anyone by doing a few web searches. Here's what I get as the first 10 results on the query 'site:www.latimes.com Elon Musk', using SearXNG pointed at the usual gaggle of search engines. There are thousands of results like these, #11 on the list was 'Elon Musk is an anti-semite' but it did not make the mark. Do you notice a trend in these first 10 results? If you don't trust my results you can repeat the experiment using whatever search engine you prefer. Take the first X results and mark them as 'positive'/'neutral'/'negative' with regard to their impact on Musk. You can do the same experiment with whatever 'famous person' or 'famous company' or 'popular subject' you want and judge the results. If you're into that newfangled 'AI' thing and trust the results returned by those models you could leave this task to one of those, something the LA Times itself experimented with for a while. 1: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-04-28 › elon-musks-companies-face-at-least-2-37-billion-in-potential-federal-penalties-trump-doge-tesla-spacex-blumenthal Musk's conflicts: $2.37 billion in possible federal penalties, report says Elon Musk and his companies faced at least $2.37 billion in potential federal fines and penalties the day President Trump took office. 2: https://www.latimes.com › entertainment-arts › books › story › 2023-09-12 › interview-with-walter-isaacson-about-his-biography-elon-musk Inside 'Elon Musk,' Walter Isaacson's billionaire biography 12 Sept 2023 ... The 688-page opus details Musk's brutal treatment of workers and colleagues, his impulsive business moves and his chaotic romantic life. 3: https://www.latimes.com › entertainment-arts › story › 2022-11-02 › column-elon-musks-twitter-and-the-con-of-online-media Column: Elon Musk, Twitter and the con of online media Elon Musk (pictured after testifying in a Delaware court in 2021) is coming to a realization those who work in traditional media reached years ... 4: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-03-27 › elon-musk-trump-doge-conflicts-of-interest These departments investigating Elon Musk have been cut by DOGE ... Reuters reported that DOGE cuts eliminated the jobs of employees overseeing Elon Musk's Neuralink company, which is testing a brain implant ... 5: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2022-11-14 › elon-musk-toxic-boss-timeline Is Elon Musk a bad boss? Ask Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter workers Elon Musk's track record as a boss is an endless scroll of impulse firings, retribution, tone-deafness on race — and the impregnation of a ... 6: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-03-13 › i-bought-my-tesla-years-before-elon-musk-went-maga-dont-judge-me I bought my Tesla years before Elon Musk went MAGA. Don't judge me "When did the brand of car I drive become a political statement?" asks a reader who drives a Tesla with 112000 miles on it. 7: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-02-11 › americans-want-fiscal-responsibility-but-no-one-elected-elon-musk Americans want fiscal responsibility, but no one elected Elon Musk There are legal ways to enact fiscal responsibility. Having an unelected billionaire target federal agencies isn't one of them. 8: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-02-25 › elon-musk-is-any-private-business-nightmare-of-a-ceo Elon Musk is any private business' nightmare of a CEO Indiscriminately firing nuclear safety workers is the kind of recklessness that would get a CEO fired — but not Elon Musk. 9: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-01-14 › elon-musk-sued-by-sec-over-late-disclosure-of-twitter-stake-in-2022 Elon Musk sued by SEC over late 2022 disclosure of Twitter stake The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission sued Elon Musk on Tuesday, alleging failure to timely disclose that he bought more than 5% of ... 10: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2022-05-18 › how-does-elon-musk-get-away-with-it Hiltzik: How does Elon Musk get away with breaking the law? In his takeover adventure with Twitter, it seems more likely than not that Elon Musk has broken the law. In some respects, his lawbreaking ... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_hypothesis_test

> That information does not fit the narrative so it is left unsaid This is a good opportunity to calibrate your sense of truth. The LA Times is owned by this South African-born immigrant [1]. (Himself the the son of "Chinese immigrant parents who fled China during the Japanese occupation.") He is, like Elon, pro-Trump (after, like Musk, supporting Democrats when they were in power) [2]. And he, like Elon, has censored his publication to reflect his views, including by opposing anti-Musk content [3]. If you're reading an article in the LA Times and, being upset it isn't mentioning Tesla, concluding it's part of an anti-Musk conspiracy, you're dead wrong. But you're probably also wrong about other adjacent hypotheses. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Soon-Shiong [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/la-times-owner-maneuvers-into-trumps-orbit-with-middle-east-meeting-00346991 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/13/la-times-owner-mane... [3] https://www.status.news/p/los-angeles-times-patrick-soon-shiong https://www.status.news/p/los-angeles-times-patrick-soon-shi...

nandomrumber 1y ago
It does mention another battery manufacturer, Spark. Where do they fit in to the narrative?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Where do they fit in to the narrative? What narrative? If you're saying even a pro-Trump pro-Elon newspaper whose owner has a history of weighing in for Musk has a bias against him, you're saying Elon's massively lost not only standing but also sympathy across the aisle. If that's true, his companies are toast. That doesn't seem to be the case. So maybe revisit the hypothesis when the data reject it.
roman_soldier 1y ago
The LA Times famously a left leaning publication and its stories are written and edited by the employees who are likely to be anti Musk, Trump hating woke types. The owner is a business man and will let the editors write for the audience's biases.

Braxton1980 1y ago

How do you know that's the reason?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> How do you know that's the reason? Just noticed that their profile basically taunts that they're a troll [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  If openness equals trolling you're absolutely right but if that is the case it does raise the question whether the site name covers the site content.
  - Braxton1980 1y ago
    Making a claim without evidence is akin to trolling
    - hagbard_c 1y ago
      If observing a trend and finding behaviour which fits the trend is enough to base a hypothesis on [1] it is certainly enough to mention it here. That 'claim without evidence' is quite silly and can be disproven by anyone by doing a few web searches. Here's what I get as the first 10 results on the query 'site:www.latimes.com Elon Musk', using SearXNG pointed at the usual gaggle of search engines. There are thousands of results like these, #11 on the list was 'Elon Musk is an anti-semite' but it did not make the mark. Do you notice a trend in these first 10 results? If you don't trust my results you can repeat the experiment using whatever search engine you prefer. Take the first X results and mark them as 'positive'/'neutral'/'negative' with regard to their impact on Musk. You can do the same experiment with whatever 'famous person' or 'famous company' or 'popular subject' you want and judge the results. If you're into that newfangled 'AI' thing and trust the results returned by those models you could leave this task to one of those, something the LA Times itself experimented with for a while. 1: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-04-28 › elon-musks-companies-face-at-least-2-37-billion-in-potential-federal-penalties-trump-doge-tesla-spacex-blumenthal Musk's conflicts: $2.37 billion in possible federal penalties, report says Elon Musk and his companies faced at least $2.37 billion in potential federal fines and penalties the day President Trump took office. 2: https://www.latimes.com › entertainment-arts › books › story › 2023-09-12 › interview-with-walter-isaacson-about-his-biography-elon-musk Inside 'Elon Musk,' Walter Isaacson's billionaire biography 12 Sept 2023 ... The 688-page opus details Musk's brutal treatment of workers and colleagues, his impulsive business moves and his chaotic romantic life. 3: https://www.latimes.com › entertainment-arts › story › 2022-11-02 › column-elon-musks-twitter-and-the-con-of-online-media Column: Elon Musk, Twitter and the con of online media Elon Musk (pictured after testifying in a Delaware court in 2021) is coming to a realization those who work in traditional media reached years ... 4: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-03-27 › elon-musk-trump-doge-conflicts-of-interest These departments investigating Elon Musk have been cut by DOGE ... Reuters reported that DOGE cuts eliminated the jobs of employees overseeing Elon Musk's Neuralink company, which is testing a brain implant ... 5: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2022-11-14 › elon-musk-toxic-boss-timeline Is Elon Musk a bad boss? Ask Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter workers Elon Musk's track record as a boss is an endless scroll of impulse firings, retribution, tone-deafness on race — and the impregnation of a ... 6: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-03-13 › i-bought-my-tesla-years-before-elon-musk-went-maga-dont-judge-me I bought my Tesla years before Elon Musk went MAGA. Don't judge me "When did the brand of car I drive become a political statement?" asks a reader who drives a Tesla with 112000 miles on it. 7: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-02-11 › americans-want-fiscal-responsibility-but-no-one-elected-elon-musk Americans want fiscal responsibility, but no one elected Elon Musk There are legal ways to enact fiscal responsibility. Having an unelected billionaire target federal agencies isn't one of them. 8: https://www.latimes.com › opinion › letters-to-the-editor › story › 2025-02-25 › elon-musk-is-any-private-business-nightmare-of-a-ceo Elon Musk is any private business' nightmare of a CEO Indiscriminately firing nuclear safety workers is the kind of recklessness that would get a CEO fired — but not Elon Musk. 9: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2025-01-14 › elon-musk-sued-by-sec-over-late-disclosure-of-twitter-stake-in-2022 Elon Musk sued by SEC over late 2022 disclosure of Twitter stake The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission sued Elon Musk on Tuesday, alleging failure to timely disclose that he bought more than 5% of ... 10: https://www.latimes.com › business › story › 2022-05-18 › how-does-elon-musk-get-away-with-it Hiltzik: How does Elon Musk get away with breaking the law? In his takeover adventure with Twitter, it seems more likely than not that Elon Musk has broken the law. In some respects, his lawbreaking ... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_hypothesis_test