I appreciate Sun creating things like Java and improving the performance of the JVM (adopting ideas from this Self runtime etc.) I don't know whether it made an

I appreciate Sun creating things like Java and improving the performance of the JVM (adopting ideas from this Self runtime etc.) I don't know whether it made any money for them, but it certainly helped the rest of the computing field / industry. Regarding Self's limited adoption, I think JavaScript showed that a Self-like system could be effective and popular if it used C-like syntax rather than Smalltalk-like syntax and shipped in every web browser.