3 ms·
I don't think that's a fair characterization of this particular situation: that the cops were idiots. This also wasn't entirely an AI problem, as it was reviewe
by Esophagus4 1y ago
I don't think that's a fair characterization of this particular situation: that the cops were idiots. This also wasn't entirely an AI problem, as it was reviewed by a (presumably) human before being sent to the police.
I'm assuming you're not in the US from your comment, so I encourage you to think more broadly about the problem rather than focusing on the headlines.
To play devil's advocate, this case exists within a larger system in the US. In particular:
1) the proliferation of guns in America causes tremendous uncertainty for police, for whom any encounter with the public could involve a firearm. In other countries where the public have fewer firearms, police don't have to escalate a situation as quickly for safety reasons because they can assume the person they're interacting with doesn't have a gun.
1a) therefore, police are trained to take control of situations in certain ways if they believe a threat to be present: for example, drawing their gun and handcuffing a potential suspect out of the abundance of caution, then performing their investigation once the scene is safe. That is what appeared to have happened here.
2) the risk of school shootings putting pressure on police, school systems, etc to prevent these situations. Hence, the deployment of technology, armed guards at schools, etc
2a) Sadly, local police often bear the brunt of larger system failures. Example: mental health treatment difficult to get? Police will have to deal with people who are not taking their anti-psychotic medications, or who are at risk of harming themselves or others. Proliferation of guns for political reasons? Police will have to encounter more people with guns.
3) Police are human beings. And even in the best case, with incredible amounts of training (which they may or may not have), they will still have to make split second decisions that could mean life or death. Some of those may be mistakes.
Combine all these forces, and you have a recipe for incidents.
It's absolutely fair to criticize behavior and hold law enforcement to a high standard, but man... I think we haven't put them in a position to succeed, and we ask a tremendous amount from them.
It's the same way if there's an incident in a production software environment, my general thought is not: "the bar for being a developer here must be really low because they're incompetent." My thought starts with, "what in our system allowed this event to happen?"
- bb88 1y agoLet's criticize their behavior then. Police have a long history of racial profiling. Driving while black. Walking while black. And in this case, carrying a bag of empty Doritos while black. They often are taught to "secure by force" rather than "de-escalate and investigate". And if they do violate your rights, so what? They have qualified immunity. On the issue of guns, if you are white and republican, you can walk around the Idaho Statehouse with a loaded AR-15 without any issue whatsoever. It's only at the moment the gun goes off is when there's a problem. Here's a fun story where a 11 year old girl carried an AR-15 to the Idaho Statehouse. https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-11-brings-ar-15-to-idaho-hearing-on-gun-legislation/277-6ed7195b-5523-4485-aeea-642d2d9eb076 https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-1...
- sshine 1y agoThanks for highlighting the real issue: an abundance of guns on random encounters. I’ve heard it also leads to a lot of PTSD showing up to the aftermath of cases where cops aren’t directly pointed at, but they still have to deal with the gore. I also think we haven't put American cops in a position to succeed. The gun laws were made to protect cowboys. Good comparison to software.