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These stories always surprise me. Somehow the culprit is AI, yet grown men handcuff a child when there is no gun. The bar for becoming a cop in the US must be

by sshine 1y ago

These stories always surprise me. Somehow the culprit is AI, yet grown men handcuff a child when there is no gun. The bar for becoming a cop in the US must be really low.

gherkinnn 1y ago
"Computer said so" is the new "Computer says no".
CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
Considering how many "large boned" US police officers one could see on social media today (since I don't live in the US), it seems like they don't even have physical exams anymore, which seems like the lowest bar to put in place.
- hollerith 1y ago
  It seems to me that being overweight is an occupational advantage for a police officer?
  - Anon_451 11mo ago
    Sitting on top of a captured perp, yes. Chasing a perp strung out on meth and hopping fences, not so much.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  There's always been fat cops here; you just have to be reasonably fit when you get hired, they won't fire you for gaining weight on the job
carlosjobim 1y ago
A child?
ufmace 1y ago
Assuming this quote from the article is true, it sounds like the only villain here is the school principal: > It said the AI alert was sent to human reviewers who found no threat - but the principal missed this and contacted the school's safety team, who ultimately called the police. So the company AI reviewers correctly determined that there was no actual gun, and the police responded appropriately to a report by a person (the school principal) who claimed to have seen this student with a gun. The question then is what the heck is this principal doing? Why do they have access to this pre-verified AI information, and why are they going off and calling the police with this information before doing any verification themselves? Well also, none of the coverage includes what was said to the dispatcher, but maybe they screwed up too - I would expect a dispatcher to question the caller in more detail about what's going on. Like, what kind of gun was it, is it in their hand or in a pocket or what, did they point it at anyone or threaten anyone with it or are they just carrying it around, etc, and such information could be used for a more appropriate police response.
Esophagus4 1y ago
I don't think that's a fair characterization of this particular situation: that the cops were idiots. This also wasn't entirely an AI problem, as it was reviewed by a (presumably) human before being sent to the police. I'm assuming you're not in the US from your comment, so I encourage you to think more broadly about the problem rather than focusing on the headlines. To play devil's advocate, this case exists within a larger system in the US. In particular: 1) the proliferation of guns in America causes tremendous uncertainty for police, for whom any encounter with the public could involve a firearm. In other countries where the public have fewer firearms, police don't have to escalate a situation as quickly for safety reasons because they can assume the person they're interacting with doesn't have a gun. 1a) therefore, police are trained to take control of situations in certain ways if they believe a threat to be present: for example, drawing their gun and handcuffing a potential suspect out of the abundance of caution, then performing their investigation once the scene is safe. That is what appeared to have happened here. 2) the risk of school shootings putting pressure on police, school systems, etc to prevent these situations. Hence, the deployment of technology, armed guards at schools, etc 2a) Sadly, local police often bear the brunt of larger system failures. Example: mental health treatment difficult to get? Police will have to deal with people who are not taking their anti-psychotic medications, or who are at risk of harming themselves or others. Proliferation of guns for political reasons? Police will have to encounter more people with guns. 3) Police are human beings. And even in the best case, with incredible amounts of training (which they may or may not have), they will still have to make split second decisions that could mean life or death. Some of those may be mistakes. Combine all these forces, and you have a recipe for incidents. It's absolutely fair to criticize behavior and hold law enforcement to a high standard, but man... I think we haven't put them in a position to succeed, and we ask a tremendous amount from them. It's the same way if there's an incident in a production software environment, my general thought is not: "the bar for being a developer here must be really low because they're incompetent." My thought starts with, "what in our system allowed this event to happen?"
- bb88 1y ago
  Let's criticize their behavior then. Police have a long history of racial profiling. Driving while black. Walking while black. And in this case, carrying a bag of empty Doritos while black. They often are taught to "secure by force" rather than "de-escalate and investigate". And if they do violate your rights, so what? They have qualified immunity. On the issue of guns, if you are white and republican, you can walk around the Idaho Statehouse with a loaded AR-15 without any issue whatsoever. It's only at the moment the gun goes off is when there's a problem. Here's a fun story where a 11 year old girl carried an AR-15 to the Idaho Statehouse. https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-11-brings-ar-15-to-idaho-hearing-on-gun-legislation/277-6ed7195b-5523-4485-aeea-642d2d9eb076 https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-1...
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skeeter2020 1y ago
for Joining ICE it's even lower. Here's some helpful tips from theonion.com: https://theonion.com/how-to-join-ice/ https://theonion.com/how-to-join-ice/ Including these gems: * Be born with something just…missing * Undergo background check confirming at least one prior arrest for a violent crime
- drivingmenuts 1y ago
  The Onion is supposed to be satire, not an instruction manual.
  - cassianoleal 1y ago
    I think that was the joke.

by sshine 1y ago

These stories always surprise me. Somehow the culprit is AI, yet grown men handcuff a child when there is no gun. The bar for becoming a cop in the US must be really low.

gherkinnn 1y ago

"Computer said so" is the new "Computer says no".

CaptainOfCoit 1y ago

Considering how many "large boned" US police officers one could see on social media today (since I don't live in the US), it seems like they don't even have physical exams anymore, which seems like the lowest bar to put in place.

hollerith 1y ago
It seems to me that being overweight is an occupational advantage for a police officer?
- Anon_451 11mo ago
  Sitting on top of a captured perp, yes. Chasing a perp strung out on meth and hopping fences, not so much.
queenkjuul 1y ago
There's always been fat cops here; you just have to be reasonably fit when you get hired, they won't fire you for gaining weight on the job

carlosjobim 1y ago

A child?

ufmace 1y ago

Assuming this quote from the article is true, it sounds like the only villain here is the school principal: > It said the AI alert was sent to human reviewers who found no threat - but the principal missed this and contacted the school's safety team, who ultimately called the police. So the company AI reviewers correctly determined that there was no actual gun, and the police responded appropriately to a report by a person (the school principal) who claimed to have seen this student with a gun. The question then is what the heck is this principal doing? Why do they have access to this pre-verified AI information, and why are they going off and calling the police with this information before doing any verification themselves? Well also, none of the coverage includes what was said to the dispatcher, but maybe they screwed up too - I would expect a dispatcher to question the caller in more detail about what's going on. Like, what kind of gun was it, is it in their hand or in a pocket or what, did they point it at anyone or threaten anyone with it or are they just carrying it around, etc, and such information could be used for a more appropriate police response.

Esophagus4 1y ago

I don't think that's a fair characterization of this particular situation: that the cops were idiots. This also wasn't entirely an AI problem, as it was reviewed by a (presumably) human before being sent to the police. I'm assuming you're not in the US from your comment, so I encourage you to think more broadly about the problem rather than focusing on the headlines. To play devil's advocate, this case exists within a larger system in the US. In particular: 1) the proliferation of guns in America causes tremendous uncertainty for police, for whom any encounter with the public could involve a firearm. In other countries where the public have fewer firearms, police don't have to escalate a situation as quickly for safety reasons because they can assume the person they're interacting with doesn't have a gun. 1a) therefore, police are trained to take control of situations in certain ways if they believe a threat to be present: for example, drawing their gun and handcuffing a potential suspect out of the abundance of caution, then performing their investigation once the scene is safe. That is what appeared to have happened here. 2) the risk of school shootings putting pressure on police, school systems, etc to prevent these situations. Hence, the deployment of technology, armed guards at schools, etc 2a) Sadly, local police often bear the brunt of larger system failures. Example: mental health treatment difficult to get? Police will have to deal with people who are not taking their anti-psychotic medications, or who are at risk of harming themselves or others. Proliferation of guns for political reasons? Police will have to encounter more people with guns. 3) Police are human beings. And even in the best case, with incredible amounts of training (which they may or may not have), they will still have to make split second decisions that could mean life or death. Some of those may be mistakes. Combine all these forces, and you have a recipe for incidents. It's absolutely fair to criticize behavior and hold law enforcement to a high standard, but man... I think we haven't put them in a position to succeed, and we ask a tremendous amount from them. It's the same way if there's an incident in a production software environment, my general thought is not: "the bar for being a developer here must be really low because they're incompetent." My thought starts with, "what in our system allowed this event to happen?"

bb88 1y ago
Let's criticize their behavior then. Police have a long history of racial profiling. Driving while black. Walking while black. And in this case, carrying a bag of empty Doritos while black. They often are taught to "secure by force" rather than "de-escalate and investigate". And if they do violate your rights, so what? They have qualified immunity. On the issue of guns, if you are white and republican, you can walk around the Idaho Statehouse with a loaded AR-15 without any issue whatsoever. It's only at the moment the gun goes off is when there's a problem. Here's a fun story where a 11 year old girl carried an AR-15 to the Idaho Statehouse. https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-11-brings-ar-15-to-idaho-hearing-on-gun-legislation/277-6ed7195b-5523-4485-aeea-642d2d9eb076 https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/capitol-watch/girl-1...

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skeeter2020 1y ago

for Joining ICE it's even lower. Here's some helpful tips from theonion.com: https://theonion.com/how-to-join-ice/ https://theonion.com/how-to-join-ice/ Including these gems: * Be born with something just…missing * Undergo background check confirming at least one prior arrest for a violent crime

drivingmenuts 1y ago
The Onion is supposed to be satire, not an instruction manual.
- cassianoleal 1y ago
  I think that was the joke.