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Not 10 years. For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was ava

Not 10 years. For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was available to consumers for a couple of years at least. So presumably you could build a new system around 2019 which is just six years ago and not make the cut. Microsoft is wrong to do this. There is LOT of capable hardware out there which can provide value. The TPM 2 limitation is completely artificial, as you can install Windows 11 anyway with a quick hack and it will work fine. We have an HTPC with hardware from 2008 (mainly the board and CPU) which runs absolutely great. It still manages to surprise us with how capable it is. We are going to use this thing until it absolutely dies with no hope for recovery.

ac29 1y ago
> Not 10 years. For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was available to consumers for a couple of years at least. So presumably you could build a new system around 2019 which is just six years ago and not make the cut. Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. In fact Linux is probably the only major exception to this, and if you need commercial support for 10+ year old hardware it costs $$$$
- maratc 1y ago
  > Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. iPhone XR/XS that were released in 2018 indeed can't get the latest iOS (26.) The good thing is that security updates for the previous iOS versions (18, 16) usually roll for a year or more. Currently, iOS 15 (from 2021) is the oldest version still receiving updates (15.8.5 was released a month ago) and the oldest devices capable of running that are from 2015.
- magic_hamster 1y ago
  > Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support Not aware of this, and actually, it seems like the contrary. Apple repeatedly deprecates stuff and makes users and developers dance around a rather quick, and very unreliable software deprecation cycle which makes it terrible to do anything long term on Mac. Plenty of examples for this. Just ask around.
  - jerlam 1y ago
    MacOS is worse, my experience is that you might get ten years of support. The Apple Silicon migration is making it worse and shortening the support periods. A 2017 MacBook Air can only run MacOS 12 - which was unsupported last year, giving a total of seven years of support. Yes, you can run OpenCore Patcher if you want to stretch the definition of support.
- kllrnohj 1y ago
  > Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. Probably more relevant here is MacOS 26 doesn't support anything before 2019 either. And it's not because they dropped x86 support entirely, it still supports some Intel Macs. Just not many.
kllrnohj 1y ago
> For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was available to consumers for a couple of years at least. The 8700 that replaced it is also from 2017. The 7th gen was extremely short lived for whatever reason

ac29 1y ago

> Not 10 years. For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was available to consumers for a couple of years at least. So presumably you could build a new system around 2019 which is just six years ago and not make the cut. Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. In fact Linux is probably the only major exception to this, and if you need commercial support for 10+ year old hardware it costs $$$$

maratc 1y ago
> Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. iPhone XR/XS that were released in 2018 indeed can't get the latest iOS (26.) The good thing is that security updates for the previous iOS versions (18, 16) usually roll for a year or more. Currently, iOS 15 (from 2021) is the oldest version still receiving updates (15.8.5 was released a month ago) and the oldest devices capable of running that are from 2015.
magic_hamster 1y ago
> Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support Not aware of this, and actually, it seems like the contrary. Apple repeatedly deprecates stuff and makes users and developers dance around a rather quick, and very unreliable software deprecation cycle which makes it terrible to do anything long term on Mac. Plenty of examples for this. Just ask around.
- jerlam 1y ago
  MacOS is worse, my experience is that you might get ten years of support. The Apple Silicon migration is making it worse and shortening the support periods. A 2017 MacBook Air can only run MacOS 12 - which was unsupported last year, giving a total of seven years of support. Yes, you can run OpenCore Patcher if you want to stretch the definition of support.
kllrnohj 1y ago
> Apple seems to get a lot of praise for long term software support and the latest iOS doesnt support hardware released before 2019 as far as I can tell. Probably more relevant here is MacOS 26 doesn't support anything before 2019 either. And it's not because they dropped x86 support entirely, it still supports some Intel Macs. Just not many.

kllrnohj 1y ago

> For example, another commenter mentioned the 7700 CPU which is from 2017. Keep in mind that 2017 was the launch of this CPU which means it was available to consumers for a couple of years at least. The 8700 that replaced it is also from 2017. The 7th gen was extremely short lived for whatever reason