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Hmm, considering this is on mac rumours, the title does make sense. But it sounds like the more accurate title would be "Windows 10 Deadline Expedites Fleet Ren

Hmm, considering this is on mac rumours, the title does make sense. But it sounds like the more accurate title would be "Windows 10 Deadline Expedites Fleet Renewels". The +17% in lenovo shipments, along with increases for HP and Asus, will all come with Windows 11 installation count bumps, presumeably. That would be the windows 10 deadline working as intended... damnit!

hinkley 1y ago
Nobody looking at graphs will be able to determine if the Mac purchases are defection or full fleet renewal at hybrid companies unless the numbers are large. You can’t compare percentages like this when they don’t have the same denominator.
- jack_tripper 1y ago
  Seme though. What are the odds the increase in Mac sales just correlate to old Intel Mac users finally upgrading to AS?
GeekyBear 1y ago
> considering this is on mac rumours The findings they are discussing are from Counterpoint Research: > According to Counterpoint, Apple's global Mac shipments grew 14.9% year-over-year in the third quarter of 2025, supported by demand for new MacBook models and rising enterprise adoption of Apple hardware.
- jayd16 1y ago
  But PC sales are rising too so it's misleading.
  - jeremyjh 1y ago
    What’s misleading? All it says is it boosted Mac sales.
    - jayd16 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth#Selective_truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth#Selective_truth
aruggirello 1y ago
This. Where are "Linux evangelists" in 2025? GNU/Linux as a whole has never been in better shape to catch users fleeing from Windows, it surely looks like a much easier task than it was 15 years ago (even despite UEFI's additional complexity burden). Spot on the +17% in lenovo shipments, but shouldn't we also care about the huge number of computers they're replacing - just because they're incapable of running Windows 11?
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  So 2025 is going to be the “Year of Linux on the Desktop”?
  - cbm-vic-20 1y ago
    "Linux on the Desktop" is great. I've been using it since 1994. "Linux on the Laptop" sucks- I just want my laptop to sleep and awake properly, without draining the battery. I'm old enough that I'm done spending time twiddling kernel parameters in an attempt to get all of the onboard devices working, including sleep.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      “Linux on the Desktop” is a 30 year old meme about this being the year that people will leave Microsoft en masse and install Linux.
    - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
      > I just want my laptop to sleep and awake properly, without draining the battery. To be fair this is _also_ a massive problem on Windows too, because of Windows Modern Standby encouraging laptop makers to replace ol' reliable S3 sleep with the terribly broken modern standby stuff. Macbooks and certain Framework models are the only laptops left with reliable sleep. Old video but nothing's really improved since: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c
      - 1y ago
jayd16 1y ago
Even that is a stretch. How are they actually discerning intention/causation? Didn't we have way more layoffs last year? AI chase hardware is rolling out. Seems like a lot of factors could be involved.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Despite what both Apple and Microsoft are saying, no one is buying personal computers to run AI on.
  - trvz 1y ago
    There’s a sizeable community interested in running local models.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      I think outside of a very niche bubble - not. Look at the average selling price of computers. It doesn’t jibe with people buying high end computers to run local models. From everything I am seeing it’s still less than $1000
  - jayd16 1y ago
    Sure, but executives can be swayed by a shiny new sticker on the box.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Executives since the dawn of buying computers for companies only care about buying the cheapest computers with reasonable support contracts.
      - reaperducer 1y ago
        Executives since the dawn of buying computers for companies only care about buying the cheapest computers with reasonable support contracts. If that was true, the various computer companies wouldn't spend billions on advertising to C-suite types, and fleets of salespeople to woo them. Executives since the dawn of buying computers Clearly you weren't there, or you'd know executives paid extra for the IBM brand because "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."
sys_64738 1y ago
It reads like a fluff piece by that webpage. A rumors site.

hinkley 1y ago

Nobody looking at graphs will be able to determine if the Mac purchases are defection or full fleet renewal at hybrid companies unless the numbers are large. You can’t compare percentages like this when they don’t have the same denominator.

jack_tripper 1y ago
Seme though. What are the odds the increase in Mac sales just correlate to old Intel Mac users finally upgrading to AS?

GeekyBear 1y ago

> considering this is on mac rumours The findings they are discussing are from Counterpoint Research: > According to Counterpoint, Apple's global Mac shipments grew 14.9% year-over-year in the third quarter of 2025, supported by demand for new MacBook models and rising enterprise adoption of Apple hardware.

jayd16 1y ago
But PC sales are rising too so it's misleading.
- jeremyjh 1y ago
  What’s misleading? All it says is it boosted Mac sales.
  - jayd16 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth#Selective_truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth#Selective_truth

aruggirello 1y ago

This. Where are "Linux evangelists" in 2025? GNU/Linux as a whole has never been in better shape to catch users fleeing from Windows, it surely looks like a much easier task than it was 15 years ago (even despite UEFI's additional complexity burden). Spot on the +17% in lenovo shipments, but shouldn't we also care about the huge number of computers they're replacing - just because they're incapable of running Windows 11?

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
So 2025 is going to be the “Year of Linux on the Desktop”?
- cbm-vic-20 1y ago
  "Linux on the Desktop" is great. I've been using it since 1994. "Linux on the Laptop" sucks- I just want my laptop to sleep and awake properly, without draining the battery. I'm old enough that I'm done spending time twiddling kernel parameters in an attempt to get all of the onboard devices working, including sleep.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    “Linux on the Desktop” is a 30 year old meme about this being the year that people will leave Microsoft en masse and install Linux.
  - trenchpilgrim 1y ago
    > I just want my laptop to sleep and awake properly, without draining the battery. To be fair this is _also_ a massive problem on Windows too, because of Windows Modern Standby encouraging laptop makers to replace ol' reliable S3 sleep with the terribly broken modern standby stuff. Macbooks and certain Framework models are the only laptops left with reliable sleep. Old video but nothing's really improved since: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHKKcd3sx2c
    - 1y ago

jayd16 1y ago

Even that is a stretch. How are they actually discerning intention/causation? Didn't we have way more layoffs last year? AI chase hardware is rolling out. Seems like a lot of factors could be involved.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Despite what both Apple and Microsoft are saying, no one is buying personal computers to run AI on.
- trvz 1y ago
  There’s a sizeable community interested in running local models.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    I think outside of a very niche bubble - not. Look at the average selling price of computers. It doesn’t jibe with people buying high end computers to run local models. From everything I am seeing it’s still less than $1000
- jayd16 1y ago
  Sure, but executives can be swayed by a shiny new sticker on the box.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Executives since the dawn of buying computers for companies only care about buying the cheapest computers with reasonable support contracts.
    - reaperducer 1y ago
      Executives since the dawn of buying computers for companies only care about buying the cheapest computers with reasonable support contracts. If that was true, the various computer companies wouldn't spend billions on advertising to C-suite types, and fleets of salespeople to woo them. Executives since the dawn of buying computers Clearly you weren't there, or you'd know executives paid extra for the IBM brand because "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM."

sys_64738 1y ago

It reads like a fluff piece by that webpage. A rumors site.