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Can't speak for Hypfer but I guess he doesn't mean the monetary side of "business" as most people understand it but the "attention" (of reading/checking the tal

Can't speak for Hypfer but I guess he doesn't mean the monetary side of "business" as most people understand it but the "attention" (of reading/checking the talk and link, etc..), so I don't fault him for that. Full disclosure: I'm not getting paid nor seek money from what I found on my alleged "ad", btw.

hypfer 11mo ago
Business in this case means a clear transactional mindset. And you do get paid, just not in cash. You push your brand, your credibility as a security researcher and all that. You earn social credits and reputation. And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. I bet the talk is good. Great, even. But this (maybe even not conscious) transactionality just does not belong in that space. HN, for example, is a much better place for it.
- braincode 11mo ago
  > And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. Hook people? Hey, it's not *THAT* good of a talk. I'm not even a security researcher myself, but thanks for the street cred ;) I see your points, let's agree to disagree on some of them but overall, thanks for sharing your thoughts over here, good intellectual sparring.
- fgbarben 11mo ago
  Is this entire account just performance art? "I Pretended To Be The Most Insufferable Maintainer in Open Source and Everyone Hated Me For It"?
  - hypfer 11mo ago
    [flagged]
    - fgbarben 11mo ago
      If I donate $100 to your ko-fi will you stop bullying me?
      - hypfer 11mo ago
        ngl that's a good answer. You've nailed it. It is clearly deliberate but also could be the result of a markov chain and it sits right in the middle. I like that. Good art, thanks.
    - DonHopkins 11mo ago
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- matheusmoreira 11mo ago
  > And you do get paid, just not in cash. > And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. I gotta wonder if whoever you banned really deserves this. I think there's a world of difference between an individual just sharing something they worked on and a corporation spamming your channel for profit.
  - hypfer 11mo ago
    Sure, but the action is still incorrect and that's why the reaction was removal. Deserving sounds like a punishment, but it's just action => reaction. Attendance privilege was misused so it was revoked for a while. I get where you're coming from, but the question there always ends up "where is the line?" The answer in this case makes it simple. The line is crossed the moment transactional self-promotion happens. No surprises for anyone. No discussions about which groups might be allowed to do so and why. A simple "no transactionality full stop". Btw, most bans in my space expire after a while, because I do believe that people can and will change, but, as per the CoC, there is also another way to appeal a ban.
    - matheusmoreira 11mo ago
      > The line is crossed the moment transactional self-promotion happens. I understand where you're coming from now. I was confused at first because I make a conscious effort to differentiate this from commercial advertising. I think it's only natural for people to want to share their work with peers. I agree that sites such as this one are the appropriate places for posting such things. I just hesitate before calling it advertising which has much darker connotations.
    - Raptor75 11mo ago
      > but, as per the CoC, there is also another way to appeal a ban. massive lie here, people who get banned cannot contact you in private because they are blocked both on TG and on GH
      - hypfer 11mo ago
        I see that you're back to your old self, Stefan, after for a moment it almost looked like you've dropped it and moved on. Will you ever move on? You do know that what you want is for me to stop being me and that is something I simply cannot do, right? This can't be fulfilling, especially given it's a reaction to once being part of the in-group. As a fellow adult, I would really wish for you to somehow make peace with this fundamental incompatibility. It is probably me. I am incompatible with the world how it is now. You're okay the way you are. What else can I do other than putting up many, many warning signs? __ Anyway. Lie is a very strong word you're using there. What is true is that I'm certainly not providing a high-speed instant path to achieve that, but just because there isn't a large neon arrow pointing at a high-speed industrial conveyor belt, doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a set of stairs close by. Finding those stairs and bothering to walk up is in itself another filter in the spirit of the CoC and the appeal process. Essentially, selecting for caring and bothering instead of "needing to fix this one thing to get back on track".

hypfer 11mo ago

Business in this case means a clear transactional mindset. And you do get paid, just not in cash. You push your brand, your credibility as a security researcher and all that. You earn social credits and reputation. And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. I bet the talk is good. Great, even. But this (maybe even not conscious) transactionality just does not belong in that space. HN, for example, is a much better place for it.

braincode 11mo ago
> And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. Hook people? Hey, it's not *THAT* good of a talk. I'm not even a security researcher myself, but thanks for the street cred ;) I see your points, let's agree to disagree on some of them but overall, thanks for sharing your thoughts over here, good intellectual sparring.
fgbarben 11mo ago
Is this entire account just performance art? "I Pretended To Be The Most Insufferable Maintainer in Open Source and Everyone Hated Me For It"?
- hypfer 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - fgbarben 11mo ago
    If I donate $100 to your ko-fi will you stop bullying me?
    - hypfer 11mo ago
      ngl that's a good answer. You've nailed it. It is clearly deliberate but also could be the result of a markov chain and it sits right in the middle. I like that. Good art, thanks.
  - DonHopkins 11mo ago
    [flagged]
matheusmoreira 11mo ago
> And you do get paid, just not in cash. > And that is why you tried to hook people to watch your talk. I gotta wonder if whoever you banned really deserves this. I think there's a world of difference between an individual just sharing something they worked on and a corporation spamming your channel for profit.
- hypfer 11mo ago
  Sure, but the action is still incorrect and that's why the reaction was removal. Deserving sounds like a punishment, but it's just action => reaction. Attendance privilege was misused so it was revoked for a while. I get where you're coming from, but the question there always ends up "where is the line?" The answer in this case makes it simple. The line is crossed the moment transactional self-promotion happens. No surprises for anyone. No discussions about which groups might be allowed to do so and why. A simple "no transactionality full stop". Btw, most bans in my space expire after a while, because I do believe that people can and will change, but, as per the CoC, there is also another way to appeal a ban.
  - matheusmoreira 11mo ago
    > The line is crossed the moment transactional self-promotion happens. I understand where you're coming from now. I was confused at first because I make a conscious effort to differentiate this from commercial advertising. I think it's only natural for people to want to share their work with peers. I agree that sites such as this one are the appropriate places for posting such things. I just hesitate before calling it advertising which has much darker connotations.
  - Raptor75 11mo ago
    > but, as per the CoC, there is also another way to appeal a ban. massive lie here, people who get banned cannot contact you in private because they are blocked both on TG and on GH
    - hypfer 11mo ago
      I see that you're back to your old self, Stefan, after for a moment it almost looked like you've dropped it and moved on. Will you ever move on? You do know that what you want is for me to stop being me and that is something I simply cannot do, right? This can't be fulfilling, especially given it's a reaction to once being part of the in-group. As a fellow adult, I would really wish for you to somehow make peace with this fundamental incompatibility. It is probably me. I am incompatible with the world how it is now. You're okay the way you are. What else can I do other than putting up many, many warning signs? __ Anyway. Lie is a very strong word you're using there. What is true is that I'm certainly not providing a high-speed instant path to achieve that, but just because there isn't a large neon arrow pointing at a high-speed industrial conveyor belt, doesn't mean that there wouldn't be a set of stairs close by. Finding those stairs and bothering to walk up is in itself another filter in the spirit of the CoC and the appeal process. Essentially, selecting for caring and bothering instead of "needing to fix this one thing to get back on track".