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>I'm not really sure what to do. Get any of the modern laptops with good battery life, install linux + Elementary OS without any hacks or workarounds (or bette

>I'm not really sure what to do. Get any of the modern laptops with good battery life, install linux + Elementary OS without any hacks or workarounds (or better yet, i3wm which is the best window manager for laptops), and never look back. Or do what I do, which is buy $200 dells/thinkpads of ebay, and for anything requiring CPU, just ssh into your home server. Personally I went a step further and use a lapdock with a samsung phone - acts like a laptop with Termux, and I can do pretty much everything with good battery life, because lapdock battery also charges the phone.

wetpaws 1y ago
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Difwif 1y ago
I used to be in this camp until I tried and bought an M1 Macbook as my daily driver. I thought I was going to be Thinkpad/XPS w/ Linux until I die. I don't love MacOS but POSIX is mostly good enough for me and the hardware is so good that I'm willing to look past the shortfalls. Seriously I would love to switch back to a full-time Linux distro but I'm more interested in getting work done and having a stable & performant platform. Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. The M-series laptops have been the perfect balance for me so far.
- mikeweiss 1y ago
  This was me too. It just works and it's nice to use. Sometimes life's too short to be hacking around all day.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  >Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.
  - Difwif 1y ago
    Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.
    - prmoustache 1y ago
      I am surprised. My former employer game me a Dell and the experience was quite smooth on Fedora.
      - galangalalgol 1y ago
        They have a line they sell with linux pre installed. Those always work fine. It takes so e work to figure out which old ones on ebay were in that situation.
    - viraptor 1y ago
      If they're new models, the webcam issue is not Dell specific, but an Intel / ipu6 thing. It should be integrated into most systems by now though, even as an out of tree module. The rest should just work, especially on xps machines. Without specifying the models/issues, it's hard to take it as more than an anecdote.
  - thiht 1y ago
    That’s just not true. Every coworker I know who use Linux[1] have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever. It’s all fixable and this kind of inconvenience can be worth it when balanced with the perceived advantages, but saying driver issues are a thing of the past is just a lie. [1]: I’ve seen these issues on Dell (XPS 13), Thinkpads, and HP laptops
    - n3t 1y ago
      Every coworker I know who use Windows have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever.
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- pimeys 1y ago
  I'm not really sure what you mean? I've been in fast and crazy startups now years, all the time ton of work to do. Never having issues with Linux, the CachyOS and Fedora spins I run just keep on chugging day to day. Using a workstation and an AMD Thinkpad.
- ActorNightly 1y ago
  Im really not sure why you have to lie to make your point. Just to be clear, you never tried a modern laptop with linux. Because you certianly don't have to patch kernels or deal with drivers anymore. The only time you have to deal with drivers is if you want to game on linux, and even then most of that is covered by modern distros.

wetpaws 1y ago

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Difwif 1y ago

I used to be in this camp until I tried and bought an M1 Macbook as my daily driver. I thought I was going to be Thinkpad/XPS w/ Linux until I die. I don't love MacOS but POSIX is mostly good enough for me and the hardware is so good that I'm willing to look past the shortfalls. Seriously I would love to switch back to a full-time Linux distro but I'm more interested in getting work done and having a stable & performant platform. Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. The M-series laptops have been the perfect balance for me so far.

mikeweiss 1y ago
This was me too. It just works and it's nice to use. Sometimes life's too short to be hacking around all day.
prmoustache 1y ago
>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.
- Difwif 1y ago
  Well you should tell that to Dell because I have coworkers with a range of their models that are constantly fighting with webcams, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and Nvidia driver updates.
  - prmoustache 1y ago
    I am surprised. My former employer game me a Dell and the experience was quite smooth on Fedora.
    - galangalalgol 1y ago
      They have a line they sell with linux pre installed. Those always work fine. It takes so e work to figure out which old ones on ebay were in that situation.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    If they're new models, the webcam issue is not Dell specific, but an Intel / ipu6 thing. It should be integrated into most systems by now though, even as an out of tree module. The rest should just work, especially on xps machines. Without specifying the models/issues, it's hard to take it as more than an anecdote.
- thiht 1y ago
  That’s just not true. Every coworker I know who use Linux[1] have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever. It’s all fixable and this kind of inconvenience can be worth it when balanced with the perceived advantages, but saying driver issues are a thing of the past is just a lie. [1]: I’ve seen these issues on Dell (XPS 13), Thinkpads, and HP laptops
  - n3t 1y ago
    Every coworker I know who use Windows have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever.
  - 1y ago
pimeys 1y ago
I'm not really sure what you mean? I've been in fast and crazy startups now years, all the time ton of work to do. Never having issues with Linux, the CachyOS and Fedora spins I run just keep on chugging day to day. Using a workstation and an AMD Thinkpad.
ActorNightly 1y ago
Im really not sure why you have to lie to make your point. Just to be clear, you never tried a modern laptop with linux. Because you certianly don't have to patch kernels or deal with drivers anymore. The only time you have to deal with drivers is if you want to game on linux, and even then most of that is covered by modern distros.