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What the hell is an "immigration radical"? Is FBI being instructed that protesting ice is antifa terrorism? This is super concerning.

elAhmo 1y ago
There is no such thing as antifa
- Krasnol 1y ago
  Sure there is but it's not an organisation.
- westmeal 1y ago
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- mosburger 1y ago
  There is, but it's an adjective, not a noun.
- rufus_foreman 1y ago
  >> There is no such thing as antifa That's like saying there is no such thing as communism. There is such a thing as communism, it is an ideology, not an organization. The Communist Party USA is an organization, not an ideology. You can fill in the rest.
  - elAhmo 1y ago
    Anti-fascism exists, similarly as communism. Antifa, in the US context, is used to describe an organization that doesn't exist. People were protesting various causes, but very vocal right-wing extremists started using that label to imply there is an organization which they can blame for alleged violence.
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duxup 1y ago
Everything that isn't in lock step with the administration is "radical" or a similar verb.
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acdha 1y ago
That’s exactly why they tried to claim there’s a terrorist “Antifa” group: since there’s no such organization or defining principles, there’s a lot of gray area to investigate anyone they find politically incorrect.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> Is FBI being instructed that protesting ice is antifa terrorism? Yes, both the President and the Attorney General have been doing this openly, and explicitly citing it as the basis for their instructions to federal law enforcement. They have also been prosecuting based on false testimony of federal officers about assaults (and being forced to dismiss a stunningly high number of filed cases on that basis), and still using the numbers from those false claims as basis for asserting a huge spike in assaults on federal offficers, which also is being cited directly as justification for reallocating resources and setting enforcement prioirities.
beloch 1y ago
If protesting ICE is anti-fascist, what does that make ICE? Sending the FBI to the homes of law-abiding citizens who happen to be planning to protest against government actions... What's that? More Americans need to start asking themselves questions like these. I'm in Canada, but what's going on South of the border has become highly concerning. It's starting to feel like Belgium up here.
xdennis 1y ago
> What the hell is an "immigration radical"? There are people who think that every person on the planet should be able to immigrate to the US (or other first world countries). This is a radical position as it couldn't possibly work. (I don't know about this person, I'm not saying it's widespread, just saying what a radical is.)
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
  > as it couldn't possibly work This isn't what makes a position radical. It's radical for being far different to the current norm.
kcplate 1y ago
> What the hell is an "immigration radical"? Probably something similar to those “domestic terrorist” parents who were investigated by the DOJ for speaking out at school board meetings in 2021?
doctorpangloss 1y ago
The political part of the FBI has something LIKE a Palantir dashboard that says, here's a list of people you should talk to, every day, and then the FBI civil service has something LIKE a Jira, that tells agents to go talk to these people, and they do. Is the FBI being "instructed?" Yes. But it gets "instructed" every day, what has changed? (1) Republicans aren't a no-regulation thing, they are a vague regulation thing. The policies and regulations exist, they just make less sense, they're less visionary, less consistent than the ones that Democrats make. (2) There is better alignment between the tools, like a Palantir dashboard that LLM-reads social media posts, and these vague policies. (3) A list of names cuts through the bureaucratic / administrative friction of vague policy.

elAhmo 1y ago

There is no such thing as antifa

Krasnol 1y ago
Sure there is but it's not an organisation.
westmeal 1y ago
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mosburger 1y ago
There is, but it's an adjective, not a noun.
rufus_foreman 1y ago
>> There is no such thing as antifa That's like saying there is no such thing as communism. There is such a thing as communism, it is an ideology, not an organization. The Communist Party USA is an organization, not an ideology. You can fill in the rest.
- elAhmo 1y ago
  Anti-fascism exists, similarly as communism. Antifa, in the US context, is used to describe an organization that doesn't exist. People were protesting various causes, but very vocal right-wing extremists started using that label to imply there is an organization which they can blame for alleged violence.
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duxup 1y ago

Everything that isn't in lock step with the administration is "radical" or a similar verb.

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acdha 1y ago

That’s exactly why they tried to claim there’s a terrorist “Antifa” group: since there’s no such organization or defining principles, there’s a lot of gray area to investigate anyone they find politically incorrect.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> Is FBI being instructed that protesting ice is antifa terrorism? Yes, both the President and the Attorney General have been doing this openly, and explicitly citing it as the basis for their instructions to federal law enforcement. They have also been prosecuting based on false testimony of federal officers about assaults (and being forced to dismiss a stunningly high number of filed cases on that basis), and still using the numbers from those false claims as basis for asserting a huge spike in assaults on federal offficers, which also is being cited directly as justification for reallocating resources and setting enforcement prioirities.

beloch 1y ago

If protesting ICE is anti-fascist, what does that make ICE? Sending the FBI to the homes of law-abiding citizens who happen to be planning to protest against government actions... What's that? More Americans need to start asking themselves questions like these. I'm in Canada, but what's going on South of the border has become highly concerning. It's starting to feel like Belgium up here.

xdennis 1y ago

> What the hell is an "immigration radical"? There are people who think that every person on the planet should be able to immigrate to the US (or other first world countries). This is a radical position as it couldn't possibly work. (I don't know about this person, I'm not saying it's widespread, just saying what a radical is.)

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
> as it couldn't possibly work This isn't what makes a position radical. It's radical for being far different to the current norm.

kcplate 1y ago

> What the hell is an "immigration radical"? Probably something similar to those “domestic terrorist” parents who were investigated by the DOJ for speaking out at school board meetings in 2021?

doctorpangloss 1y ago

The political part of the FBI has something LIKE a Palantir dashboard that says, here's a list of people you should talk to, every day, and then the FBI civil service has something LIKE a Jira, that tells agents to go talk to these people, and they do. Is the FBI being "instructed?" Yes. But it gets "instructed" every day, what has changed? (1) Republicans aren't a no-regulation thing, they are a vague regulation thing. The policies and regulations exist, they just make less sense, they're less visionary, less consistent than the ones that Democrats make. (2) There is better alignment between the tools, like a Palantir dashboard that LLM-reads social media posts, and these vague policies. (3) A list of names cuts through the bureaucratic / administrative friction of vague policy.