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Seafile is the only good enough thing i've found so far for self-hosted file sync. But it is still a pain to upgrade the server version. nextCloud and friends i

Seafile is the only good enough thing i've found so far for self-hosted file sync. But it is still a pain to upgrade the server version. nextCloud and friends is a complete disaster in my oppinion.

setopt 1y ago
Resilio is also pretty good, depending on your use case. (Syncthing is great too, but Resilio seems faster and better at NAT traversal in my experience.)
wobfan 1y ago
> nextCloud and friends is a complete disaster in my oppinion. Why is that? Have been using NextCloud in our company and for myself, and I couldn't be happier, no issues since 3 years, all the tools and plugins I need, sync running perfect and hassle-free and performant. I thought it's generally liked up until now - I didn't try any of the alternatives though, so they might indeed be better. Though I don't have any reason to try them tbh, as NC works almost too well.
- snailmailman 1y ago
  Theres a lot of weird setup often required on the backend in my experience, but when it works, it works well. But until you get everything dialed in it can have weird issues that don't have a clear path to fix them. It might be better in their weird AIO solution? But i dont like the idea of giving a docker container the ability to spawn more containers. I just use one of their normal docker containers and have had to manually change a lot to make it work as they actually suggest. Like just recently i setup their notify_push plugin as it improves performance - but the provided setup instructions didn't work in my setup and i had to manually tweak several things.
  - Jnr 1y ago
    It took a while for me to fully set up Nextcloud with STUN/TURN, Office server, etc. in a properly containerised setup. It clearly felt like it was built before containers and modern devops approaches were a best practice. And while community is great, I don't think Nextcloud developer community is that big and active. Their plugin system is basic, archaic, lots of things there are begging for rework. So while Nextcloud is decent once set up, I am happy to see some fresh OSS projects solving similar issues appear. Maybe their approach will be better.
- Valodim 1y ago
  Using Nextcloud on the web feels like a state of the art 2015 PHP web UI. It is... fine. But compare it to immich for example and they're just not playing in the same league imo
  - wobfan 1y ago
    100%. Though their UI has been update a little with the last major release. > But compare it to immich for example and they're just not playing in the same league imo I mean, this doesn't make sense at all, tbf. They're literally not in the same league, as their targeting different use cases. Nextcloud offers a MUCH broader experience, while Immich has a very clear cut focus and does nothing outside of that. Comparing it doesn't make any sense. Except if you're actually talking about the UI exclusively. Then, yes, Immich feels much more modern and smooth.
    - belinder 1y ago
      So what's the immich equivalent for file sharing
      - ianopolous 1y ago
        You might be interested in Peergos (https://peergos.org https://peergos.org) - creator here. An old write up is here: https://itsfoss.com/peergos/ https://itsfoss.com/peergos/
  - fletchowns 1y ago
    I've been using Nextcloud for years, but I've never used the web UI. Windows desktop app for syncing my Documents folder, and Android app for synchronizing a few folders on my phone, as well as the "append only" upload of my photo reel that something like SyncThing doesn't support. Works great, never had any issues with Nextcloud. The real value is in the companion apps. I use a cron job to back up Nextcloud to B2 and S3 Glacier.
    - magic_hamster 1y ago
dugite-code 1y ago
Nextcloud suffers from flexibility, it's got a lot to offer but requires dialling in to your specific use case, the mistake most admins is to assume you can just run it without tuning, it has too many differing options to do that smoothly out of the box. The ability to just run it in a snap has really contributed to this imho, Nextcloud is enterprise software you just happen to be able to run in your homelab.
etc-hosts 1y ago
running Nextcloud AIO has been reliable for me for a couple of years now.
zeagle 1y ago
Same journey. I’ve been using seafile with seadrive and a subst to S: for years with very good effect.
princevegeta89 1y ago
I recently got into self-hosting Seafile and successfully set it up on my dedicated server. Had to think backup and security strategies quite a bit and ultimately I set up a bulletproof backup mechanism. Tested it pretty rigorously. Seafile took me by surprise in terms of how quick it was at picking up new files and changes - syncing works incredibly well too. I moved all my files from my Google Drive into my Seafile instance and I'm now using it on all my devices as my main cloud storage solution.
z3ratul163071 1y ago
Running the docker variant, it is trivially easy, you just bump the tag version. Been a user for around a decade. It is really great. Nextcloud was choking on large repos back in the day and it requires a beefier machine. I first run Seafile on a cheap ARM board with 2GB ram and 2 core CPU.

Seafile is the only good enough thing i've found so far for self-hosted file sync. But it is still a pain to upgrade the server version. nextCloud and friends is a complete disaster in my oppinion.

setopt 1y ago

Resilio is also pretty good, depending on your use case. (Syncthing is great too, but Resilio seems faster and better at NAT traversal in my experience.)

wobfan 1y ago

> nextCloud and friends is a complete disaster in my oppinion. Why is that? Have been using NextCloud in our company and for myself, and I couldn't be happier, no issues since 3 years, all the tools and plugins I need, sync running perfect and hassle-free and performant. I thought it's generally liked up until now - I didn't try any of the alternatives though, so they might indeed be better. Though I don't have any reason to try them tbh, as NC works almost too well.

snailmailman 1y ago
Theres a lot of weird setup often required on the backend in my experience, but when it works, it works well. But until you get everything dialed in it can have weird issues that don't have a clear path to fix them. It might be better in their weird AIO solution? But i dont like the idea of giving a docker container the ability to spawn more containers. I just use one of their normal docker containers and have had to manually change a lot to make it work as they actually suggest. Like just recently i setup their notify_push plugin as it improves performance - but the provided setup instructions didn't work in my setup and i had to manually tweak several things.
- Jnr 1y ago
  It took a while for me to fully set up Nextcloud with STUN/TURN, Office server, etc. in a properly containerised setup. It clearly felt like it was built before containers and modern devops approaches were a best practice. And while community is great, I don't think Nextcloud developer community is that big and active. Their plugin system is basic, archaic, lots of things there are begging for rework. So while Nextcloud is decent once set up, I am happy to see some fresh OSS projects solving similar issues appear. Maybe their approach will be better.
Valodim 1y ago
Using Nextcloud on the web feels like a state of the art 2015 PHP web UI. It is... fine. But compare it to immich for example and they're just not playing in the same league imo
- wobfan 1y ago
  100%. Though their UI has been update a little with the last major release. > But compare it to immich for example and they're just not playing in the same league imo I mean, this doesn't make sense at all, tbf. They're literally not in the same league, as their targeting different use cases. Nextcloud offers a MUCH broader experience, while Immich has a very clear cut focus and does nothing outside of that. Comparing it doesn't make any sense. Except if you're actually talking about the UI exclusively. Then, yes, Immich feels much more modern and smooth.
  - belinder 1y ago
    So what's the immich equivalent for file sharing
    - ianopolous 1y ago
      You might be interested in Peergos (https://peergos.org https://peergos.org) - creator here. An old write up is here: https://itsfoss.com/peergos/ https://itsfoss.com/peergos/
- fletchowns 1y ago
  I've been using Nextcloud for years, but I've never used the web UI. Windows desktop app for syncing my Documents folder, and Android app for synchronizing a few folders on my phone, as well as the "append only" upload of my photo reel that something like SyncThing doesn't support. Works great, never had any issues with Nextcloud. The real value is in the companion apps. I use a cron job to back up Nextcloud to B2 and S3 Glacier.
  - magic_hamster 1y ago

dugite-code 1y ago

Nextcloud suffers from flexibility, it's got a lot to offer but requires dialling in to your specific use case, the mistake most admins is to assume you can just run it without tuning, it has too many differing options to do that smoothly out of the box. The ability to just run it in a snap has really contributed to this imho, Nextcloud is enterprise software you just happen to be able to run in your homelab.

etc-hosts 1y ago

running Nextcloud AIO has been reliable for me for a couple of years now.

zeagle 1y ago

Same journey. I’ve been using seafile with seadrive and a subst to S: for years with very good effect.

princevegeta89 1y ago

I recently got into self-hosting Seafile and successfully set it up on my dedicated server. Had to think backup and security strategies quite a bit and ultimately I set up a bulletproof backup mechanism. Tested it pretty rigorously. Seafile took me by surprise in terms of how quick it was at picking up new files and changes - syncing works incredibly well too. I moved all my files from my Google Drive into my Seafile instance and I'm now using it on all my devices as my main cloud storage solution.

z3ratul163071 1y ago

Running the docker variant, it is trivially easy, you just bump the tag version. Been a user for around a decade. It is really great. Nextcloud was choking on large repos back in the day and it requires a beefier machine. I first run Seafile on a cheap ARM board with 2GB ram and 2 core CPU.