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It's really pretty incredible - that people are putting up with Apple's "keep-away" is evidence of just how unbelievably far ahead they are in hardware.

bigyabai 1y ago
Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple, that customers perceive to be symbiotic but business-wise is wholly parasitic. Like I said, Apple could be a real player... if they had any incentive to compete.
- latexr 1y ago
  > Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple Pretty hard to make that argument about people who explicitly want to get rid of Apple’s OS from their hardware.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Nope, as a former macOS user myself I can assure you it's quite trivial.
  - bornfreddy 1y ago
    Not really. Apple hardware is great, but MacOS sucks big time (compared to Linux).
    - latexr 1y ago
      And do you think it makes sense to argue that someone who says “macOS sucks big time” but likes their hardware has an “unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple”? If anything, it seems to show a pragmatic relationship (that whatever you like/need from each).
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them, I would call that an unhealthy emotional attachment, not a pragmatic relationship. It's almost never pragmatic to assume that your own suffering will necessarily yield a better outcome. Maybe your smoking hot partner eventually becomes a better person, but is it worth investing 10 years of mental anguish for the chance of getting there? A real pragmatist starts dating again, which forces their partner to stop taking themselves for granted. If Apple wasn't a literal monopoly, their customers could be holding them over a barrel and forcing their software products to compete naturally. macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple. Americans forfeit their opportunity to regulate Apple into real competition, and now we are paying the price with top-down app censorship, UI disaster updates and bugfixes that add more bugs than fixes.
        latexr 1y ago
        > If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them Then they have to take the whole package or nothing at all. You can’t swap your partner’s brain. But you can change your OS on your computer. These things are not comparable. > macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple. No, macOS (currently) sucks because Apple is doing a bad job. Their customers’ relationship to the company is orthogonal to the OS’ quality.
- microtonal 1y ago
  I don't think that the people who want to buy a Mac to run Asahi Linux have (an unhealthy) emotional attachment to Apple, they wouldn't run Linux on a MacBook otherwise. (I love macOS, though I also have a ThinkPad with NixOS.)

bigyabai 1y ago

Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple, that customers perceive to be symbiotic but business-wise is wholly parasitic. Like I said, Apple could be a real player... if they had any incentive to compete.

latexr 1y ago
> Or it could be a symbol of an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple Pretty hard to make that argument about people who explicitly want to get rid of Apple’s OS from their hardware.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Nope, as a former macOS user myself I can assure you it's quite trivial.
- bornfreddy 1y ago
  Not really. Apple hardware is great, but MacOS sucks big time (compared to Linux).
  - latexr 1y ago
    And do you think it makes sense to argue that someone who says “macOS sucks big time” but likes their hardware has an “unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple”? If anything, it seems to show a pragmatic relationship (that whatever you like/need from each).
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them, I would call that an unhealthy emotional attachment, not a pragmatic relationship. It's almost never pragmatic to assume that your own suffering will necessarily yield a better outcome. Maybe your smoking hot partner eventually becomes a better person, but is it worth investing 10 years of mental anguish for the chance of getting there? A real pragmatist starts dating again, which forces their partner to stop taking themselves for granted. If Apple wasn't a literal monopoly, their customers could be holding them over a barrel and forcing their software products to compete naturally. macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple. Americans forfeit their opportunity to regulate Apple into real competition, and now we are paying the price with top-down app censorship, UI disaster updates and bugfixes that add more bugs than fixes.
      - latexr 1y ago
        > If someone likes their partner's body, but despises their personality and the way they treat them Then they have to take the whole package or nothing at all. You can’t swap your partner’s brain. But you can change your OS on your computer. These things are not comparable. > macOS sucks because their customers have an unhealthy emotional attachment to Apple. No, macOS (currently) sucks because Apple is doing a bad job. Their customers’ relationship to the company is orthogonal to the OS’ quality.
microtonal 1y ago
I don't think that the people who want to buy a Mac to run Asahi Linux have (an unhealthy) emotional attachment to Apple, they wouldn't run Linux on a MacBook otherwise. (I love macOS, though I also have a ThinkPad with NixOS.)