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I used to have the same one, with Asahi. There were some problems which were never fixed (battery drain in sleep mode, no working Thunderbolt ...). Now job will

I used to have the same one, with Asahi. There were some problems which were never fixed (battery drain in sleep mode, no working Thunderbolt ...). Now job will give me a brand new one (I guess M4 or M5), I don't know how I'll do to run Linux on this. Either it'll be a VM or I'll use my own thinkpad. So sad.

mort96 1y ago
The battery drain in sleep mode is why Linux is relegated to a dual-boot option for use when necessary for me, rather than my daily driver. Battery drain when in use or idle seems perfectly acceptable, but I can't use a laptop which discharges itself overnight while the lid is closed. I'm sad that Asahi never implemented a proper sleep mode.
- intrasight 1y ago
  Honest question: why would you care about battery in your daily driver? aren't you sitting or standing at a desk?
  - mort96 1y ago
    When I'm at my desk at my office I use my Linux desktop. My use case for my laptop is to use when I'm out and about, commuting on the train or bus, visiting people, or just relaxing on the couch.
    - intrasight 1y ago
      I do that too. But it's like 5% of my computer usage time. And maybe 10% of that fracrion I don't have access to power outlet. My point is that it's just a tiny fraction - for me anyway.
  - wara23arish 1y ago
    which begs the question why even get a laptop as a daily driver people do it all the time for gaming laptops etc when probably 99% of their usage is at the same desk
    - iknowstuff 1y ago
      I would go nuts if I was confined to working from one spot. Versatility and mobility are too important to give up. And there’s no tradeoff with apple silicon.
      - heavyset_go 1y ago
        > And there’s no tradeoff with apple silicon. I would imagine there would be more thermal throttling and throttling to reduce power usage on a Macbook versus a machine that wasn't designed to be mobile.
    - mort96 1y ago
      I have a desktop, but I could imagine a life with only a laptop. Sure, maybe 99% of my usage would be at one desk, but if I need that other 1%, I need a laptop. It's the desktop that's an optional nice-to-have. And not everyone can afford or wants to have two computers which are powerful enough to do what they need. In reality, far more than 1% of my computer use happens away from the desk where my desktop is located. I'm guessing I'm not alone in that.
      - WD-42 1y ago
        You still only need 1 powerful computer. Networks are so fast these days and we have stuff like Tailscale it’s pretty easy to use the laptop as a dumb terminal and do all your work still on the fast computer.
        mort96 1y ago
        Completely depends on what you're doing. If you're working on GUI software for example, you need to run that on your local machine. This is much easier if you're compiling and running the software on the same machine. Then there are non-development tasks, like 3D modelling or video editing. Remote desktop is a kind of solution, but it's extremely sub par. Latency is not good unless you're on the same LAN in my experience.
- rjdj377dhabsn 1y ago
  Why not just suspend to disk? My Asus laptop with 32 GB of RAM is 4 years old, but resumes from the encrypted swap partition in under 5 seconds, which is fast enough for me.
  - cmurf 1y ago
    If UEFI Secure Boot is enabled, Fedora kernels detect this and lockdown. And hibernation is then disabled. The reason is lack of an autheticated hibernation image. This work has had several proposals but still isn't implemented. I'm not sure of the status on other distro kernels but allowing it would be a significant bypass of Secure Boot's purpose.
    - fluoridation 1y ago
      Can secure boot be disabled on Macs?
      - GeekyBear 1y ago
        Macs allow the device owner to install an OS that isn't signed at all, without having it degrade the security of the system when you do boot into MacOS.
        fluoridation 1y ago
        Fine, but can it be disabled? If secure boot is interfering with another function of the computer, the owner might decide they prefer hibernation over secure boot.
        wtallis 1y ago
        I think what you're missing is that "secure boot" isn't a system-wide on/off thing on a Mac, it's a per-OS thing. And UEFI Secure Boot specifically is something that only exists on a Mac to the extent that Asahi shoehorns it into a system that doesn't natively do anything UEFI-related. It would be very surprising if Asahi Linux didn't still provide a way to skip their UEFI Secure Boot code paths and just plain boot.
Lerc 1y ago
How Linux-like can you make a Mac act without changing OS now? It's been a few years since I used a Mac regularly, but even back then you could go a fair way towards making it seem nice enough to use.
- viraptor 1y ago
  You can mostly do that, but: forget about system wide debugging, desktop shell changes, easy security sandboxes, being able to just run new AI software (they're often assuming cuda or CPU), building obscure software without patching makefiles. And the get the general feeling of "whatever I want to change, I'm fighting against the system".
whitehexagon 1y ago
I do a full shutdown, since it boots from cold into Asahi in ~30s (M1 Pro). Plus I´d rather have a laptop that I know is shutdown, than this crazy 'we might need to do an update whilst it's in your backpack' fake sleeps. I think my next laptop will be M2 Pro/Max, but honestly at the moment I dont see the need for anything faster. And having discovered Asahi, I dont think I could ever go back to a BigTech commercial Ad platform OS. This feels like My computer.

mort96 1y ago

The battery drain in sleep mode is why Linux is relegated to a dual-boot option for use when necessary for me, rather than my daily driver. Battery drain when in use or idle seems perfectly acceptable, but I can't use a laptop which discharges itself overnight while the lid is closed. I'm sad that Asahi never implemented a proper sleep mode.

intrasight 1y ago
Honest question: why would you care about battery in your daily driver? aren't you sitting or standing at a desk?
- mort96 1y ago
  When I'm at my desk at my office I use my Linux desktop. My use case for my laptop is to use when I'm out and about, commuting on the train or bus, visiting people, or just relaxing on the couch.
  - intrasight 1y ago
    I do that too. But it's like 5% of my computer usage time. And maybe 10% of that fracrion I don't have access to power outlet. My point is that it's just a tiny fraction - for me anyway.
- wara23arish 1y ago
  which begs the question why even get a laptop as a daily driver people do it all the time for gaming laptops etc when probably 99% of their usage is at the same desk
  - iknowstuff 1y ago
    I would go nuts if I was confined to working from one spot. Versatility and mobility are too important to give up. And there’s no tradeoff with apple silicon.
    - heavyset_go 1y ago
      > And there’s no tradeoff with apple silicon. I would imagine there would be more thermal throttling and throttling to reduce power usage on a Macbook versus a machine that wasn't designed to be mobile.
  - mort96 1y ago
    I have a desktop, but I could imagine a life with only a laptop. Sure, maybe 99% of my usage would be at one desk, but if I need that other 1%, I need a laptop. It's the desktop that's an optional nice-to-have. And not everyone can afford or wants to have two computers which are powerful enough to do what they need. In reality, far more than 1% of my computer use happens away from the desk where my desktop is located. I'm guessing I'm not alone in that.
    - WD-42 1y ago
      You still only need 1 powerful computer. Networks are so fast these days and we have stuff like Tailscale it’s pretty easy to use the laptop as a dumb terminal and do all your work still on the fast computer.
      - mort96 1y ago
        Completely depends on what you're doing. If you're working on GUI software for example, you need to run that on your local machine. This is much easier if you're compiling and running the software on the same machine. Then there are non-development tasks, like 3D modelling or video editing. Remote desktop is a kind of solution, but it's extremely sub par. Latency is not good unless you're on the same LAN in my experience.
rjdj377dhabsn 1y ago
Why not just suspend to disk? My Asus laptop with 32 GB of RAM is 4 years old, but resumes from the encrypted swap partition in under 5 seconds, which is fast enough for me.
- cmurf 1y ago
  If UEFI Secure Boot is enabled, Fedora kernels detect this and lockdown. And hibernation is then disabled. The reason is lack of an autheticated hibernation image. This work has had several proposals but still isn't implemented. I'm not sure of the status on other distro kernels but allowing it would be a significant bypass of Secure Boot's purpose.
  - fluoridation 1y ago
    Can secure boot be disabled on Macs?
    - GeekyBear 1y ago
      Macs allow the device owner to install an OS that isn't signed at all, without having it degrade the security of the system when you do boot into MacOS.
      - fluoridation 1y ago
        Fine, but can it be disabled? If secure boot is interfering with another function of the computer, the owner might decide they prefer hibernation over secure boot.
        wtallis 1y ago
        I think what you're missing is that "secure boot" isn't a system-wide on/off thing on a Mac, it's a per-OS thing. And UEFI Secure Boot specifically is something that only exists on a Mac to the extent that Asahi shoehorns it into a system that doesn't natively do anything UEFI-related. It would be very surprising if Asahi Linux didn't still provide a way to skip their UEFI Secure Boot code paths and just plain boot.

Lerc 1y ago

How Linux-like can you make a Mac act without changing OS now? It's been a few years since I used a Mac regularly, but even back then you could go a fair way towards making it seem nice enough to use.

viraptor 1y ago
You can mostly do that, but: forget about system wide debugging, desktop shell changes, easy security sandboxes, being able to just run new AI software (they're often assuming cuda or CPU), building obscure software without patching makefiles. And the get the general feeling of "whatever I want to change, I'm fighting against the system".

whitehexagon 1y ago

I do a full shutdown, since it boots from cold into Asahi in ~30s (M1 Pro). Plus I´d rather have a laptop that I know is shutdown, than this crazy 'we might need to do an update whilst it's in your backpack' fake sleeps. I think my next laptop will be M2 Pro/Max, but honestly at the moment I dont see the need for anything faster. And having discovered Asahi, I dont think I could ever go back to a BigTech commercial Ad platform OS. This feels like My computer.