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so? someone has to maintain software. The unix world is already in a crisis because they can't find maintainers.

pseudony 11mo ago
Aside from there being no crises, rewriting a set of utilities with nearly no bug reports for years and for which no new features is needed accomplishes what exactly? Aside from new bugs, that is. There surely would be a more beneficial undertaking somewhere else. If then you’d argue that they may do as they please with their time, fair, but then let’s not pretend this rewrite has any objective value aside from scratching personal itches and learning how cat and co are implemented.
- steveklabnik 11mo ago
  This effort has produced new bug reports and test cases for upstream, clarifying their desired behavior. That's one positive side effect that helps everyone.
  - ok123456 11mo ago
    That's a really post-hoc rationalization for breaking Ubuntu.
    - deleted 11mo ago
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    - steveklabnik 11mo ago
      I'm replying to the general case of why. Obviously breakage is unfortunate. But it's not like there's no benefit.
      - ok123456 11mo ago
        Unfortunately, this will leave a stink that will take a lot of bathing and deodorant to mask.
      - selfmodruntime 11mo ago
        Thanks steve. Sometimes there is no satisfying people.
    - selfmodruntime 11mo ago
      Finding critical bugs is always worth it. This didn't "break" Ubuntu, it was just a hiccup.
      - ok123456 11mo ago
        The critical bugs were introduced by replacing working software. And this is just the beginning of finding all the bugs introduced. It wasn't "worth it" at all.
        selfmodruntime 11mo ago
        I recommend that you look into the bug trackers of the original tools. There were a lot of bug reports that came from reimplementing these tools. It's also not a replacement - at all. You and distro managers can choose not to use them.
1718627440 11mo ago
In my experience the crisis comes more from an influx of people who wants to change everything without having read or caring for specifications and portability. There is however a lack of people like to clean the dirty stuff behind them.

Aside from there being no crises, rewriting a set of utilities with nearly no bug reports for years and for which no new features is needed accomplishes what exactly? Aside from new bugs, that is. There surely would be a more beneficial undertaking somewhere else. If then you’d argue that they may do as they please with their time, fair, but then let’s not pretend this rewrite has any objective value aside from scratching personal itches and learning how cat and co are implemented.

steveklabnik 11mo ago
This effort has produced new bug reports and test cases for upstream, clarifying their desired behavior. That's one positive side effect that helps everyone.
- ok123456 11mo ago
  That's a really post-hoc rationalization for breaking Ubuntu.
  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - steveklabnik 11mo ago
    I'm replying to the general case of why. Obviously breakage is unfortunate. But it's not like there's no benefit.
    - ok123456 11mo ago
      Unfortunately, this will leave a stink that will take a lot of bathing and deodorant to mask.
    - selfmodruntime 11mo ago
      Thanks steve. Sometimes there is no satisfying people.
  - selfmodruntime 11mo ago
    Finding critical bugs is always worth it. This didn't "break" Ubuntu, it was just a hiccup.
    - ok123456 11mo ago
      The critical bugs were introduced by replacing working software. And this is just the beginning of finding all the bugs introduced. It wasn't "worth it" at all.
      - selfmodruntime 11mo ago
        I recommend that you look into the bug trackers of the original tools. There were a lot of bug reports that came from reimplementing these tools. It's also not a replacement - at all. You and distro managers can choose not to use them.

1718627440 11mo ago

In my experience the crisis comes more from an influx of people who wants to change everything without having read or caring for specifications and portability. There is however a lack of people like to clean the dirty stuff behind them.